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Old 08-22-2018, 09:45 AM
 
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I'd be curious to see the exact wording, too.
Ive tried this a few times but it wont let me upload to CD.

Ive uploaded other pictures to CD before, so Im not sure what Im doing wrong with this one.

The rejection letter doesnt come out and say 'EBEs exist", or that if they exist, we wont tell you, its more like "any document that refers to, makes mention of, etc, EBEs, CTBES, etc", is exempt from FOIA. One of the problems is they have so many different names for this, some of them, I have never heard of, I did find it interesting though they mentioned 'Archon' as one of the exemptions, Ive heard of that term before.

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Old 08-22-2018, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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The rejection letter doesnt come out and say 'EBEs exist", or that if they exist, we wont tell you, its more like "any document that refers to, makes mention of, etc, EBEs, CTBES, etc", is exempt from FOIA. One of the problems is they have so many different names for this, some of them, I have never heard of, I did find it interesting though they mentioned 'Archon' as one of the exemptions, Ive heard of that term before.
I suspect then that there are at least three possibilities;

1. There are docs they're keeping secret related to UFOs/aliens.
2. They don't have such docs but they want to have a policy in place just in case.
3. They don't want to waste time processing requests for EBEs etc because the docs don't exist.

I don't think there's any way to determine which of these scenarios is the case.
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Old 08-22-2018, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Wichita Falls Texas
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I have seen a few and reported them to Mufon. I read their daily US reports and some are very similar to mine and others are not. What I find interesting are the patterns of type of sighting and reported backgrounds of some of the reporters.
I've been meaning to join. I need to do that.
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Old 08-22-2018, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Madison, Alabama
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I've been meaning to join. I need to do that.
One thing bothers me about MUFON: They had a program on one of the Discovery Networks called "Hangar 1" that was about UFOs in the MUFON files, that were supposedly stored in a place called Hangar 1. The program really dramatized the UFO subject to the point of being ridiculous (although entertaining) instead of being a serious documentary, .

I had always thought that MUFON represented serious, scientific approaches to the subject. I no longer think that.
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Old 08-23-2018, 11:03 AM
 
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I suspect then that there are at least three possibilities;

1. There are docs they're keeping secret related to UFOs/aliens.
2. They don't have such docs but they want to have a policy in place just in case.
3. They don't want to waste time processing requests for EBEs etc because the docs don't exist.

I don't think there's any way to determine which of these scenarios is the case.
Well, the particular document I specifically requested DOES exist, the rejection letter stated they found it, and that it was a DIA report, but they are not able to release it to me, due to the content being exempt from FOIA.

Thats why I think this is so important, not to mention, it debunks the skeptics that claim the whole 'recovered alien metal and materials' aspect was entirely fabricated...that is false, the report does exist, if they didnt have 'recovered materials' how would they be able to determine the US is unable to defend itself against this technology?

Basically this report would not exist if they didnt have any recovered materials.
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Old 08-23-2018, 11:06 AM
 
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One thing bothers me about MUFON: They had a program on one of the Discovery Networks called "Hangar 1" that was about UFOs in the MUFON files, that were supposedly stored in a place called Hangar 1. The program really dramatized the UFO subject to the point of being ridiculous (although entertaining) instead of being a serious documentary, .

I had always thought that MUFON represented serious, scientific approaches to the subject. I no longer think that.
I like NUFORC better than MUFON.

Im not surprised MUFON would be involved in such a tv show, I would not be surprised if the organization was created as a disinformation tool.
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Old 08-23-2018, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Madison, Alabama
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Ive tried this a few times but it wont let me upload to CD.

Ive uploaded other pictures to CD before, so Im not sure what Im doing wrong with this one.

The rejection letter doesnt come out and say 'EBEs exist", or that if they exist, we wont tell you, its more like "any document that refers to, makes mention of, etc, EBEs, CTBES, etc", is exempt from FOIA. One of the problems is they have so many different names for this, some of them, I have never heard of, I did find it interesting though they mentioned 'Archon' as one of the exemptions, Ive heard of that term before.
You post a lot, so apparently you are a pretty decent typist (either that or you hunt and peck a lot ).

Since you can't seem to upload a photo or scan of the letter, how about just taking the time, and type it word for word in a post (leaving out your name and address, of course), and post it?
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Old 08-23-2018, 07:46 PM
 
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You post a lot, so apparently you are a pretty decent typist (either that or you hunt and peck a lot ).

Since you can't seem to upload a photo or scan of the letter, how about just taking the time, and type it word for word in a post (leaving out your name and address, of course), and post it?
It's possible that that poster created a charade to add some legitimacy to his government conspiracy theories. Who would ask here for information on FOIA when a simple google search would bring all the answers? And then there is that "I can't seem to post pictures" business.

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Old 08-24-2018, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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You post a lot, so apparently you are a pretty decent typist (either that or you hunt and peck a lot ).

Since you can't seem to upload a photo or scan of the letter, how about just taking the time, and type it word for word in a post (leaving out your name and address, of course), and post it?
Or scan it. Print it, delete names and addresses then rescan.
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Old 08-24-2018, 08:34 PM
 
Location: PRC
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I sent a message to rstevens62 offering either to help upload it to a photobucket kind of website or to help post it here but nothing was heard from him. OK, maybe I am not trusted to do this, but at least someone has offered and been rejected which suggests either there is no letter or else he should get help from someone locally he trusts - else why suggest he wanted to post it but was unable to do so?

Consequently I conclude this business about a refused FOIA is perhaps hot air and nothing more.

This kind of FOIA response letter is useful to have in the public domain so that others can see official responses and draw their own conclusions.
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