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Old 08-23-2018, 02:06 PM
 
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Why is it important to you that this be so?
I'm just hoping that humanity will put all the supernatural mumbo-jumbo in the past and find alternative, rational explanations. Doesn't look hopeful.
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Old 08-23-2018, 02:26 PM
 
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I'm just hoping that humanity will put all the supernatural mumbo-jumbo in the past and find alternative, rational explanations. Doesn't look hopeful.
Maybe they are not mutually exclusive. Proving how the engine works doesn't disprove the existence of its designer. Interesting that you're not content to just come to your own conclusions and let everyone else come to their own as well. It's not like you're alone in your world view so you have plenty of people to share it with.


Yes much evil has been done in the name of divine ideologies but much evil has been done in the name of secular ones as well. Whatever is ailing the collective soul of humanity, universal atheism is not going to cure it.
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Old 08-23-2018, 02:34 PM
 
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Maybe they are not mutually exclusive. Proving how the engine works doesn't disprove the existence of its designer. Interesting that you're not content to just come to your own conclusions and let everyone else come to their own as well. It's not like you're alone in your world view so you have plenty of people to share it with.


Yes much evil has been done in the name of divine ideologies but much evil has been done in the name of secular ones as well. Whatever is ailing the collective soul of humanity, universal atheism is not going to cure it.
You have a right to your opinion, as they say.
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Old 08-23-2018, 04:00 PM
 
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I'm just hoping that humanity will put all the supernatural mumbo-jumbo in the past and find alternative, rational explanations. Doesn't look hopeful.
A large part of what give joy and meaning to our lives as humans isn't reducible to logical explanations -- and when reductionists attempt to do so, they strip what is of value to us as humans from the experience. Further, possessing a scientific explanation for our experience of a phenomenon doesn't eliminate our valuation of that phenomenon arrived at through other paths of knowing than logic and reason.

The genetic and chemical explanations for the love we feel on first seeing our child and knowing that we'd lay down our lives for him/her may be logically complete, but we apprehend this love as a thing in and of itself, without regard to whatever mechanics lie behind it. Same with objects of beauty: music, art, the natural world. These subjective qualia give savor and meaning to our lives but are not reducible to logical components. Despite what hard-core reductionists say, there are more than one way of knowing things.

You're welcome to your belief that religion and other "superstitions" have been the source of all human misery and that we would be better without them. To Pogue Mahone's point: the great slaughters of the 20th century were all committed in the name of secular socialist movements, not in the name of a God or gods. I'd also point out that it's as much a leap of faith to believe in scientism (meaning: rational analysis is superior to all other ways of explaining or knowing things) as it does to believe in a personal God.

I'm getting the feeling you created this thread to make a point rather than to genuinely get input from those of us who disagree with you -- so what's the agenda?
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Old 08-23-2018, 07:20 PM
 
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Welp, I posted it because I thought it was interesting, the genetics research. And that it might be a more cogent explanation for events which in the past were attributed to supernatural causation. What I did not envision doing and will not do, is to get into tedious arguments about religion.

Everyone is free to entertain whichever religious beliefs they find most plausible. It has nothing to do with me. And I don't care.
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Old 08-24-2018, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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... What I did not envision doing and will not do, is to get into tedious arguments about religion.

Everyone is free to entertain whichever religious beliefs they find most plausible. It has nothing to do with me. And I don't care.
In post #4, you wrote:

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In other words, are all the past notions of the existence of life after death not superseded by this genetic research? ... That doesn't take away the wonder and mystery and beauty of existence, it just quiets the irrational and superstitious.
That sure sounds to me like you're throwing down the gauntlet to those here who have a conventional or New Age belief in life after death - labeling them as irrational and superstitious. I gave my answer to the question you posed in post #7: your interpretation of the evidence is flawed, and the evidence provides ammunition neither to believers in reincarnation (or any version of continued existence after death), nor to disbelievers like yourself.
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Old 08-26-2018, 02:59 PM
 
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Once again, I find myself advocating that people read the spirit's book as it relates to re-incarnation, then make up one's own mind as to what to believe.

Myself, I tend to believe beings that are physically involved in re-incarnation, as opposed to scientist who have nothing but speculation on the subject.

Bob.
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Old 08-26-2018, 03:12 PM
 
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Once again, I find myself advocating that people read the spirit's book as it relates to re-incarnation, then make up one's own mind as to what to believe.

Myself, I tend to believe beings that are physically involved in re-incarnation, as opposed to scientist who have nothing but speculation on the subject.

Bob.
Do you mean this:

https://the-spirits-book.droidinformer.org
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Old 08-26-2018, 07:02 PM
 
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Reincarnation, past lives, past loves, soul recognition-it's one of my very favorite subjects to get lost in. I believe that it is fascinating and I don't even understand why I have such a fixation on it. I guess it's because each soul connection is so different and sometimes the connection is so strong-it's unreal. It's even more amazing to me if it is brief. Why do some people connect while other's don't? Why do you feel like you have known some people your whole life and you have just met them? Why do you get an immediate dislike for someone you barely know?

These are all gut indicators that our soul/spirit/intuition knows something that our brain doesn't. I tend to lean to the "I believe it side"I don't need science to tell give me a reason, it would be nice if I could find something in the bible though
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Old 08-26-2018, 07:14 PM
 
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That is the book, but not the site I downloaded it from.
It is available at book stores also if you want an actual book.
I have both, the book, and the free downloaded edition.
Fascinating reading.

Bob.
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