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Old 05-17-2019, 10:12 AM
 
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The significance of the cave is immense, and the experts are convinced it has more secrets to give up on human origins. Most importantly, the cave is the only known instance to date of the Denisovans, a newly identified species of giant human being. They are a mysterious relative of the Neanderthals who are thought to have roamed the plains of Siberia and east Asia long before modern humans arrived on the continent.
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Old 05-17-2019, 06:45 PM
 
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Denisovans are a known phenomenon. Experts have traced their DNA to various SE Asian, West Pacific, and even Native American groups. Denisovan DNA is what gave the Tibetans their high-altitude tolerance. Denisovan DNA is highest in Papua New Guineans, and I think the Ojibway, but 4% is the highest anyone tested thus far has it. Neanderthals and also Homo sapiens Sapiens interbred with Denisovans.

A 2nd location of Denisovans has been found a few weeks ago, in a cave in Tibet.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/01/s...wbone-dna.html

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Old 05-17-2019, 08:17 PM
 
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Goliath in the Bible was said to be 9ft-9" tall. Then there was Robert Wadlow: https://www.ripleys.com/weird-news/t...robert-wadlow/
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Old 05-17-2019, 08:24 PM
 
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If I understand it correctly, there is a theory out there that suggests that some of the different Bigfoots are actually pre-humans, surviving in the kind of places humans are not comfortable in. I was watching an old lecture by Lloyd Pye(deceased) ("Everything you know is wrong") who seems to think that there is a huge difference in pre-humans and modern humans. One cannot evolve from the other. The species of Bigfoot around the world are different types of pre-humans which have adapted to the different environments.

Some of the characteristics which are very different from humans are (the ones I can remember):
bones are much thicker with smaller hole for marrow
much stronger & heavier
no chins, large eye sockets,
large nasal hole in skull (loud noises)
protruding mouth/jaw (cf:gorilla)
protruding eyebrows/no forehead
flat nose
shorter neck (head sits on shoulders)
arms longer and typically reach below knees
feet bones are different
throat area different which limits speech sounds

He says that the reason there are so few fossils of these things is because they live in different areas to humans. Humans drove them out of the best areas and so they retreated into thick forests and wastelands where humans did not want to live and where they could be left alone.

The lecture made the point that fossils are made with very precise and rare conditions:
the imprint must be in mud and be covered over before it disappears (or eaten if we are talking about skeleton)
must be undisturbed with sediment falling on top over millennia to form rock

In dense forest, there are many animals to eat/scavange dead bodies, small narrow steep streams, not much opportunity to form fossils.

Some of these things I did not know or had not thought about and now I think it makes sense why there are no fossils of these pre-humans or Bigfoots.
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Old 05-17-2019, 08:48 PM
 
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My reading of the findings is that, first, very few bones of this species of human have been found, and, two, their range of size would not be that of "giants."

The image on the YouTube video is of a complete skeleton of some humanoid, which appears to have been photoshoped.

People enjoy believing the incredible. What actually transpired in human evolution is remarkable enough as is.

Rich
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Old 05-18-2019, 04:27 PM
 
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My reading of the findings is that, first, very few bones of this species of human have been found, and, two, their range of size would not be that of "giants."

The image on the YouTube video is of a complete skeleton of some humanoid, which appears to have been photoshoped.

People enjoy believing the incredible. What actually transpired in human evolution is remarkable enough as is.

Rich
That photo is just CLICK BAIT. I don't understand why the lecturer would do that. Can anyone tell us if YOUTUBE does that themselves?

Back to the facts:


During their final years the Denisovans achieved an advanced level of human behaviour, including the creation of sophisticated symbolic or non-functional objects including an arm bracelet in bottle-green chloritolite with a bored hole that can only have been made using a high-speed drill; a bone needle with an eye for thread, suggesting the manufacture of tailored clothing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZQxtHJer60
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Old 05-18-2019, 06:43 PM
 
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My reading of the findings is that, first, very few bones of this species of human have been found, and, two, their range of size would not be that of "giants."

The image on the YouTube video is of a complete skeleton of some humanoid, which appears to have been photoshoped.

People enjoy believing the incredible. What actually transpired in human evolution is remarkable enough as is.

Rich
This is correct. No experts in the field are claiming they're "giants". Rather, all the scholarly articles say, "we don't know what they looked like". What they are saying about size, is that they were "robust", not tall. There's too little evidence available, for anything more to be said about their appearance. Neanderthals, also, were "robust", not giants.

There was no population of giants in the mythology of the Altai, either. What there was, was an epic hero similar to Hercules, who was a semi-Divine monster-slayer, portrayed as a giant. His story is derived from Indo-European tradition, brought to the Altai by Indo-European migration from the steppes north of the Black Sea. In Tibeto-Mongol tradition, his name is Geser or Gesar, which comes from the same root as the word, "Kaiser".

The lecturer in the video claims, that the Denisovans rode horses, but there's absolutely no evidence for that. Furthermore, if they actually were giants, they would have crushed the small horses that existed in their environment at that time. Undoubtedly, the Denisovans hunted the horses for food.

The lecturer in the video is not an anthropologist; the conference at which he's speaking is a conference for video game fans. He's pulled together a hodgepodge of elements from all over Eurasia, and cobbled them together to create an entertaining story. Most of what he's saying is fantasy.
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Old 05-19-2019, 08:05 AM
 
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OK Ruth. Is this false?

During their final years the Denisovans achieved an advanced level of human behaviour, including the creation of sophisticated symbolic or non-functional objects including an arm bracelet in bottle-green chloritolite with a bored hole that can only have been made using a high-speed drill; a bone needle with an eye for thread, suggesting the manufacture of tailored clothing.
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Old 05-19-2019, 11:07 AM
 
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This is correct. No experts in the field are claiming they're "giants". Rather, all the scholarly articles say, "we don't know what they looked like". What they are saying about size, is that they were "robust", not tall. There's too little evidence available, for anything more to be said about their appearance. Neanderthals, also, were "robust", not giants.

There was no population of giants in the mythology of the Altai, either. What there was, was an epic hero similar to Hercules, who was a semi-Divine monster-slayer, portrayed as a giant. His story is derived from Indo-European tradition, brought to the Altai by Indo-European migration from the steppes north of the Black Sea. In Tibeto-Mongol tradition, his name is Geser or Gesar, which comes from the same root as the word, "Kaiser".

The lecturer in the video claims, that the Denisovans rode horses, but there's absolutely no evidence for that. Furthermore, if they actually were giants, they would have crushed the small horses that existed in their environment at that time. Undoubtedly, the Denisovans hunted the horses for food.

The lecturer in the video is not an anthropologist; the conference at which he's speaking is a conference for video game fans. He's pulled together a hodgepodge of elements from all over Eurasia, and cobbled them together to create an entertaining story. Most of what he's saying is fantasy.
https://grahamhancock.com/author/andrew-collins/

Did this with no degree:

The lecturer in the video is not an anthropologist

I looked at his BIO: In 2008 Andrew and colleague Nigel Skinner Simpson discovered a previously unrecorded cave complex beneath the pyramids of Giza, which has brought him worldwide acclaim.
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Old 05-19-2019, 11:15 AM
 
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This is correct. No experts in the field are claiming they're "giants". Rather, all the scholarly articles say, "we don't know what they looked like". What they are saying about size, is that they were "robust", not tall. There's too little evidence available, for anything more to be said about their appearance. Neanderthals, also, were "robust", not giants.

There was no population of giants in the mythology of the Altai, either. What there was, was an epic hero similar to Hercules, who was a semi-Divine monster-slayer, portrayed as a giant. His story is derived from Indo-European tradition, brought to the Altai by Indo-European migration from the steppes north of the Black Sea. In Tibeto-Mongol tradition, his name is Geser or Gesar, which comes from the same root as the word, "Kaiser".

The lecturer in the video claims, that the Denisovans rode horses, but there's absolutely no evidence for that. Furthermore, if they actually were giants, they would have crushed the small horses that existed in their environment at that time. Undoubtedly, the Denisovans hunted the horses for food.

The lecturer in the video is not an anthropologist; the conference at which he's speaking is a conference for video game fans. He's pulled together a hodgepodge of elements from all over Eurasia, and cobbled them together to create an entertaining story. Most of what he's saying is fantasy.

Can you show us where you found this?

the conference at which he's speaking is a conference for video game fans.
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