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Old 08-26-2019, 12:16 AM
 
Location: PRC
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The article did state that samples were taken and they are waiting for the test to come back.
As if this has not been done before??? Of course it has. So we should have some 'knowns' by now which should be knocking out some of the 'unknowns' one at a time.

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How easy is it to spot foot tracks in a field?
How many humans do you see compared to ETs? I tend to go with the odds and the odds point to human. Why would an extra terrestrial want just male cow sex organs and tongues? It is a know fact that many ranchers will castrate their young bulls: [link]. So it would stand to reason that it is far more likely a human act than any out-of-world ET collection. If it was an ET thing I would presume that we would find human and other animals that had the same procedure.
We do have. This is a well-known phenomena.

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I still would not rule out the possibility that the bulls ate something that poisoned them and black vultures 'surgically' removed the tongues and sex parts. They do like soft tissue first and maybe would return in greater numbers to finish off the rest of the animal. But I am still willing to wait and see the results of the testing.
As far as I know, birds of prey start at the easy entry points - the eyes and other areas already exposed by animals.

There have been many investigations into this phenomena over the years it has been happening, by researchers such as Linda Moulton-Howe. The cuts have been examined and it appears the implement used is like a laser because the skin is burned at the edge of the cut. This rules out birds, foxes, animals in general.

Generally, the experts usually know if the signs point to human perpetrators. The police, farmers, and animal vets are all experts in thier areas of expertise, I think anyone who suggests the farmers dont know what they are seeing is kidding themselves and trying to play down this phenomena. They are also being disrespectful to the farmers too. These farmers have often farmed for generations on the same land and know the kinds of 'normal' deaths associated with 'natural' predators. They live close to the land and notice the signs like footprints, dragging, blood, and distress signs caused by the dead animal being hunted and killed by those predators who some suggest are the culprits.

Generally, in these mutilation cases there are none of those normal death signs but a certain set of strange unusual signs which do not indicate a natural death.
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Old 08-26-2019, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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As if this has not been done before??? Of course it has. So we should have some 'knowns' by now which should be knocking out some of the 'unknowns' one at a time.
Technology continues to improve. We have no idea if the test they are currently running are the same that they used in previous cases.

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We do have. This is a well-known phenomena.
We do not know all the similarities of this case compared to others.

Are they showing any pictures for us to make up our own minds if this has happened in the past? You are lumping all the cases together and we really do not know if that is the case?

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As far as I know, birds of prey start at the easy entry points - the eyes and other areas already exposed by animals.

There have been many investigations into this phenomena over the years it has been happening, by researchers such as Linda Moulton-Howe. The cuts have been examined and it appears the implement used is like a laser because the skin is burned at the edge of the cut. This rules out birds, foxes, animals in general.

Generally, the experts usually know if the signs point to human perpetrators. The police, farmers, and animal vets are all experts in thier areas of expertise, I think anyone who suggests the farmers dont know what they are seeing is kidding themselves and trying to play down this phenomena. They are also being disrespectful to the farmers too. These farmers have often farmed for generations on the same land and know the kinds of 'normal' deaths associated with 'natural' predators. They live close to the land and notice the signs like footprints, dragging, blood, and distress signs caused by the dead animal being hunted and killed by those predators who some suggest are the culprits.

Generally, in these mutilation cases there are none of those normal death signs but a certain set of strange unusual signs which do not indicate a natural death.
From this link (https://www.pegasusfoundation.org/bl...animals-alive/) I quote: "These birds start by pecking out the eyes and tongue,". It is possible that they developed a taste for tongue and sex organ meat? To me it is always best to go with knowns instead of making up unknowns.

When trucking I enjoyed listening to Linda Moulton-Howe. But I always thought of her as a 'performer'. She did like the spotlight and she championed many of the unexplained events. That did not make her infallible. Nor did she ever prove many of her claims - but she did have a good act and she was interesting.
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Old 08-27-2019, 12:32 AM
 
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How easy is it to spot foot tracks in a field?

How many humans do you see compared to ETs? I tend to go with the odds and the odds point to human. Why would an extra terrestrial want just male cow sex organs and tongues? It is a know fact that many ranchers will castrate their young bulls: https://www.drovers.com/article/why-...lves-important. So it would stand to reason that it is far more likely a human act than any out-of-world ET collection. If it was an ET thing I would presume that we would find human and other animals that had the same procedure.

I still would not rule out the possibility that the bulls ate something that poisoned them and black vultures 'surgically' removed the tongues and sex parts. They do like soft tissue first and maybe would return in greater numbers to finish off the rest of the animal. But I am still willing to wait and see the results of the testing.
There have been humans found with this same thing done to them, the circumstances around them are just as strange as the ones we are discussing.
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Old 08-27-2019, 12:35 AM
 
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Im just curious, if anyone has ever seen ANY 'classified' details show up in relation to these animal mutilation cases? whether it be the details or the part of the investigation, or...etc, basically ANYTHING that is 'classified'?
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Old 08-27-2019, 12:48 AM
 
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This is a pretty good article...
https://nypost.com/2016/09/05/the-sh...cas-heartland/
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Old 08-27-2019, 07:55 AM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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Large ranchers can have enemies. Is there any reason that you want to turn your back on the prospect of evil people? Your first thought are always something that has not been proven to exist. As far a government experiments; I don't think they are operating like they did half a century back - too many checks and getting caught could end their careers or throw them in jail today.

Give it a little time and see what they find. Speculation is great; but we need to acknowledge that we have no proof and it is only speculation (until proven otherwise).
A little time? This has been happening for decades. Here in Colorado, the ranching industry controls the politics in our hardest-hit southern counties & nobody would bat an eye at a rancher who shot first & asked questions later. The Colorado Cattlemen's Association, the Colorado Livestock Association & the Department of Agriculture have been all over this for decades as well. The FBI found no evidence of human criminal activity either, way back in the 1970s.

Out of all of our mutilation cases, only one sheriff's department, Pueblo County; has only one case out of the hundreds throughout Pueblo, Las Animas & Huerfano County that had any evidence of human origin. This would be one case in 2016, where actual instruments were found at the scene. I talked to the sheriff myself over the phone regarding this, otherwise, I would not know, as that was never reported.

All of the other cases have the same evidence of 'huge bird' predation that I've mentioned before; the shattered vertebrae, the talon tracks (measuring 3-4 feet across) in the ground, puncture wounds on the hide, the excised jawbone flesh & genitals & the ground disturbances that indicate the cow was dropped from some height, onto the ground.
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Old 08-27-2019, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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Seriously, in this day in age, night time cameras are easy to install and record all night. Not like before where we let our imaginations run wild.
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Old 08-27-2019, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Seriously, in this day in age, night time cameras are easy to install and record all night. Not like before where we let our imaginations run wild.
It will never stop some imaginations! We know that we have bad humans and we know we have vultures and other predators; but ignore them all and point your finger at ET! Like some believe that ET will travel all this way to simply take a few parts of a bull! Sounds like a lot of bull to me!
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Old 08-27-2019, 10:41 AM
 
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Seriously, in this day in age, night time cameras are easy to install and record all night. Not like before where we let our imaginations run wild.
Where would you place these cams?
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Old 08-27-2019, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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Where would you place these cams?
Just put them on a stand. Cows are docile at night so they won't be moving.

Here is a camera and the type of field of range of view you can get.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ribiDIkEv_s
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