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Old 12-30-2019, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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You pay for what has value to you in this and anything else. I've been Pagan for decades and spent very little money on it. I will occasionally buy a book if it really interests me. Often I've read the library copy first and just want to purchase my own. It is not necessary at all to spend large sums of money to be Pagan or Wiccan or anything else. Being closer to Nature is not expensive. Those who purchase an astrology app do so because they value the information.

There is no rule against making money.

Want to add, some of us have a much broader range of interests other than science.
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We can waste our money whichever way we decide to waste it. But, like a placebo, many are apparently coming away from this new (but old) 'religion' feeling it is helping their lives. They are willing to convert others. I suspect that maybe the sexual revolution has helped promote witchcraft directly or indirectly; but I do not know. I am an outsider looking in.

I would like to know if there is any proof that any of this exist? I know that there are coincidences; but how do you know that you actually had 'results' from your witchcraft?
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Old 12-30-2019, 01:49 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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What is with the sudden interest among Russians in witchcraft? We just had someone posting last week on a very concerning trend.

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Old 12-30-2019, 02:33 PM
 
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We can waste our money whichever way we decide to waste it. But, like a placebo, many are apparently coming away from this new (but old) 'religion' feeling it is helping their lives. They are willing to convert others. I suspect that maybe the sexual revolution has helped promote witchcraft directly or indirectly; but I do not know. I am an outsider looking in.

I would like to know if there is any proof that any of this exist? I know that there are coincidences; but how do you know that you actually had 'results' from your witchcraft?
First as I said I am a Pagan. I am interested in Womens Spirituality and the Goddess. I have found tremendous healing in it. And appreciation for Nature and animals and the female body that I did not find in organized religion. I follow the seasons, what we called the Wheel of the Year. I am not really involved with spellcraft. Although any and all prayer is a "spell" whether that is in traditional religions or not. I am interested in womens spiritual herstory.

We do not convert others. We do not proselytize.

People are leaving rigid structures. They don't want to be told what to believe and not believe. They are so done with that. That isn't just within religion either. They are aware of science but it is not offering them what they need. If it did they wouldn't look outside it. Any structure that contains such rigidity is doomed to fail.
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Old 12-30-2019, 03:21 PM
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Location: Cody, WY
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First as I said I am a Pagan. I am interested in Womens Spirituality and the Goddess. I have found tremendous healing in it. And appreciation for Nature and animals and the female body that I did not find in organized religion. I follow the seasons, what we called the Wheel of the Year. I am not really involved with spellcraft. Although any and all prayer is a "spell" whether that is in traditional religions or not. I am interested in womens spiritual herstory...
Witchcraft is what anthropologists call transactional religion in which the person makes a deal with a spirit of some sort. The deal involves giving the spirit something that he or she desires in return for something that the human desires. This is very different from ordinary religions which demand unconditional worship in return for some vague future reward. Some spirits are good; some are evil; many are in between. Their emotions are very much like human emotions.
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Old 12-30-2019, 03:36 PM
 
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Witchcraft is what anthropologists call transactional religion in which the person makes a deal with a spirit of some sort. The deal involves giving the spirit something that he or she desires in return for something that the human desires. This is very different from ordinary religions which demand unconditional worship in return for some vague future reward. Some spirits are good; some are evil; many are in between. Their emotions are very much like human emotions.
I'm not sure if you are asking something or what?
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Old 12-30-2019, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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What is with the sudden interest among Russians in witchcraft? We just had someone posting last week on a very concerning trend.

I was not paying attention; but I see they are busy: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ent-Putin.html or here is an older link that talks about witchcraft in general in Russia: https://www.vox.com/2014/11/13/72105...ics-everywhere.

Maybe, since we gave up on transcendental meditation; we will switch to witch craft to fight our next battles?
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Old 12-30-2019, 04:18 PM
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Location: Cody, WY
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I'm not sure if you are asking something or what?
No, I'm explaining the intellectual framework.
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Old 12-30-2019, 04:38 PM
 
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No, I'm explaining the intellectual framework.
Thats fine. I don't necessarily agree though. People in organized religions bargain with God quite often. They ask the God/Jesus spirit to heal someone in return for something such as swearing they'll start praying the Rosary more often or going back to church, etc. I think that would fall into your transactional religion wouldn't it?
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Old 12-31-2019, 08:31 AM
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"Split personality

“Americans developed programs for psycho-programming people in the early 1960s,” says Alexander Borisovich. - Our leadership at that time was only interested in the issue of improving nuclear weapons, which in the hands of the United States posed a greater threat to the world of socialism than pseudo-scientific delights in the field of human consciousness. ....

Revelations killer

“Quartet Man” - under this name the patient was listed in the secret files of the Soviet counterintelligence. In each of the four states, he had a different name, spoke different dialects of the Spanish language. Even the blood pressure and heartbeat of each person had their own. ...

..And it turned out that in the first state he was a sugarcane cutter. In the second, an American of Cuban descent who had undergone special training at the CIA intelligence center. Two months later, a team of doctors managed to "break the lock" of a third person. It turned out that Costaniero was abandoned in Cuba with the mission to kill Fidel Castro.https://kp.ua/life/7191-kak-fydelia-...ovannyi-kyller

The military is closely involved in parapsychology. All civic sensation is designed to reveal real talents and take them to you. Russians or Americans, Chinese or Germans - all do this.
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