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Old Today, 09:22 AM
 
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Get up to speed would ya guys? There used to be a reward for anyone that could recreate that suit using materials from that era. The reward was $50k and it was never collected.

MK Davis has done quite a bit of research.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ct...FXX_g&index=71
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Old Today, 09:34 AM
 
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This is from Wikipedia. Yes, there are some that say they did it all to create a hoax. Why should anyone believe what they say? They have already admitted being liars in the past.

The film's proponents' position is that what is seen in the film is unfakable—especially not by a costume beginner like Patterson. For instance, most of Bill Munns' book makes detailed examinations of film features that he argues could not have been created with 1967 special effects technology. He filmed recreation attempts of his own that failed. Daniel Perez wrote, "If the film is, in fact, a fake, a costumed man or a machine, surely science could duplicate the film with ease. Twenty-five [now fifty, as of 2017] years later, no one has come close."[168] He later wrote, "It has never been convincingly replicated. To any thinking person, that should speak volume

A re-creation of the PGF was undertaken on October 6, 2004, at "Cow Camp," near Rimrock Lake, a location 41 miles west of Yakima.[280] This was six months after the publication of Long's book and 11 months after Long had first contacted Morris.[281] Bigfooter Daniel Perez wrote, "National Geographic's [producer] Noel Dockster ... noted the suit used in the re-creation ... was in no way similar to what was depicted in the P–G film."[282]
Morris wouldn't consent to release the video to National Geographic, the re-creation's sponsor, claiming he hadn't had adequate time to prepare and that the month was in the middle of his busy season. However, he has not attempted to create a suit more to his liking since that time.

But Morris reports that the suit was made of Dynel, a lighter-weight synthetic material with little or no odor. Morris said that it was his "standard suit that we sold to all our customers"[276] that cost $435[278] (cheaper than the competition)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patter...ffects_artists
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Old Today, 10:01 AM
 
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Get up to speed would ya guys? There used to be a reward for anyone that could recreate that suit using materials from that era. The reward was $50k and it was never collected.
Maybe because no one cares all that much? Honestly, your post is the first I've ever heard of the $50k reward.

Seriously though, there were LOTS of movies and TV shows from that era and before that had prosthetics as good as or better than the Gimlin/Patterson film. 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY, all the PLANET OF THE APES MOVIES, the gorilla Tracy from the '70s TV show THE GHOST BUSTERS, and pretty much any gorilla suit form the '40s and '50s movies are more realistic primates than what is seen in the Gimlin/Patterson film. It's just not even a good creature design. The fur is overdone and anatomically incorrect, the footpads look fake, and the face looks fake. Even as a hoax, it isn't a very good one. But it is aided by the fact the grainy film quality isn't the best.

All of that aside, and you have Roger Patterson, who was trying (and failing) to secure investors for a Bigfoot movie, so he concocted this supposed Bigfoot sighting. Once it hit the news, he hit the road with his brother-in-law, doing his best to make money off it. And you have Bob Heronimus, who came forward and admitted he was the guy in the suit.

Money. Motive. Confession. What more do you want?

Bigfoot may or may not exist. But the Gimlin/Patterson film is a pretty obvious hoax.
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Old Today, 10:47 AM
 
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https://youtu.be/ZN0WswKK-FE

This is a video of Paul Freeman's shot in the Blue Mountains near Walla Walla, WA.

"I only see these things when I'm by myself."

This is a video that clearly shows a Bigfoot family. Look at the shape of their heads, look at the way they walk. MK Davis and Thinker Thunker videos on YouTube are great for analyzing Bigfoot videos where they show clearly the difference between what would be a guy in a suit and a real Bigfoot. Do some research - I have a lot more respect for someone who goes outside - in to the forest - and looks for a Bigfoot than someone who sits down at his computer and sends out worthless drivel putting down people who have seen and/or heard a Bigfoot out in the forest.

Look to the Pacific Northwest region - it's a Bigfoot haven.
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Old Today, 10:54 AM
 
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Get up to speed would ya guys? There used to be a reward for anyone that could recreate that suit using materials from that era. The reward was $50k and it was never collected.
How would one even attempt to collect? There is no criterea for recreation except something that looks a monkey suit from a grainy 60s video. The person offering the reward would not be at any requirement to pay off as the requirements would be totally subjective, thus no one need attempt to claim the reward. Heck there may be 100's of ape costumes existing in various warehouses throughout the country that look like that suit.

This is the guy that created the custome, as you say he couldn't recreate the suit 30 or so years later as seen in the video because Patterson significantly modified it himself. Patterson, ever the con man (he has a fascinating history of either lying, cheating, or conning just about everyone he encountered in life), never paid him for the suit:

https://centerforinquiry.org/blog/man_who_sold_bigsuit/

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Old Today, 11:12 AM
 
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One of these guys said he sold them by mail order. Why have none of the other suits he sold shown up? He doesn't even have a photo of a suit. Where is the ad used to sell them?

I agree with Elktronics. I want to add that they are pretty much across North America.
They are not an unknown primate.
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Old Today, 11:15 AM
 
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Look to the Pacific Northwest region - it's a Bigfoot haven.
Not unless Bigfoot is carnivorous. The Pacific Northwest doesn't offer enough calories to keep a creature of that size alive year-round.

If several hundred 8+ ft mammals were running around the Pacific NW and hunting other animals --- or even fish and the occasional pet --- it is EXTREMELY unlikely we wouldn't have lots of them on video by now.
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Old Today, 11:18 AM
 
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How would one even attempt to collect? There is no criterea for recreation except something that looks a monkey suit from a grainy 60s video. The person offering the reward would not be at any requirement to pay off as the requirements would be totally subjective, thus no one need attempt to claim the reward. Heck there may be 100's of ape costumes existing in various warehouses throughout the country that look like that suit.

This is the guy that created the custome, as you say he couldn't recreate the suit 30 or so years later as seen in the video because Patterson significantly modified it himself. Patterson, ever the con man (he has a fascinating history of either lying, cheating, or conning just about everyone he encountered in life), never paid him for the suit:

https://centerforinquiry.org/blog/man_who_sold_bigsuit/

All big talk but no photos to back it up. All costume designers have a collection of suit photos.


Show us one from that era for sale on Ebay or anywhere else.
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Old Today, 11:37 AM
 
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Look at the sophistication of the man-ape monkey suits in 1968's 2001 A Space Odyssey during the Dawn of Man sequence to see it done right.
Here's the complete sequence:

https://youtu.be/ypEaGQb6dJk
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Old Today, 11:44 AM
 
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All big talk but no photos to back it up. All costume designers have a collection of suit photos.


Show us one from that era for sale on Ebay or anywhere else.
This is what you left out on that Wikipedia link you posted:

"Heironimus's relatives (his mother Opal and nephew John Miller) claim to have seen an ape suit in Heironimus' car. Opal said she saw the suit two days after the film was shot.
Russ Bohannon, a longtime friend, says that Heironimus revealed the hoax privately in 1968 or 1969.
Bernard Hammermeister, another longtime friend, said he was shown an ape suit in Heironimus' car. No date was given by Long for Hammermeister's observation, but it apparently came well after the relatives' observation, as implied by the word "still" in the justification Heironimus gave Hammermeister for requesting his silence: "There was still supposed to be a payola on this thing, and he didn't have it."


Heironimus only came forward because he was promised money for his part in making that film and he never received any.
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