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Old 02-13-2020, 01:29 AM
 
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This link had a lot of information I had never read before, like the very first report, from 840...


In 840 c.e., Agobard, the Archbishop of Lyons, told of three such demons, "giant people of the forest and mountains," who were stoned to death after being displayed in chains for several days. In his Chronicles, Abbot Ralph of Coggeshall Abbey, Essex, England, wrote of a "strange monster" whose charred body had been found after a lightning storm on the night of St. John the Baptist in June 1205. He stated that a terrible stench came from the beast with "monstrous limbs."


https://www.encyclopedia.com/science...elike-monsters


This is another, that talks about what Leif Erickson and his men saw when they came to the new world...


The oldest account of Bigfoot was recorded in 986 AD by Leif Ericson and his men. During their first landing in the New World, the Norsemen wrote about manlike beasts that were “horribly ugly, hairy, swarthy and with great black eyes.”
Among his accounts, Leif told of seeing huge hairy men who towered over him and his men. The “huge hairy men”, according to Leif, lived in the Woods and had a rank odour and a deafening shriek. It should be noted that Leif Ericson and his men describe huge manlike beasts that were loud and foul-smelling and clearly distinct from native peoples. Apparently, Leif had several sightings of the “huge hairy men” before departing the island.
They called the creature “Skellring”. People believe that the creature “Skellring” is what we know today as Bigfoot. This is the earliest recorded encounter with Bigfoot, or Sasquatch.
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Old 02-13-2020, 08:58 AM
 
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In just the last 100 years humans have become much taller: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...E404&FORM=VIRE. The shorter our ancestors were; the taller an anomaly would appear. Plus your sources are not stating how much larger these 'creatures' were. What was an "encounter" to Lief Ericson?
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Old 02-13-2020, 09:04 AM
 
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In just the last 100 years humans have become much taller: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...E404&FORM=VIRE. The shorter our ancestors were; the taller an anomaly would appear. Plus your sources are not stating how much larger these 'creatures' were. What was an "encounter" to Lief Ericson?
Well fishy: Some times you need to interpolate.

mathematics" ;https://www.bing.com/search?q=interp...&setlang=en-US
insert (an intermediate value or term) into a series by estimating or calculating it from surrounding known values
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Old 02-13-2020, 09:29 AM
 
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There are lots of weird things in "historic" documents. Which is why history is a discipline. You don't just read one source and buy it. Consider:

-- St. Columba fights the Loch Ness Monster. See: 0565: St. Columba and the Beast in the River Ness | Anomalies: the Strange & Unexplained

-- Herodotus wrote of "horned asses, not to mention dog-headed men, headless men with eyes in their breasts (I merely repeat what the Libyans say), wild men and wild women, and a great many other creatures by no means of a fabulous kind.” See: The Historian's Hut: Did You Know?: The Odd Beings That Herodotus Suggested Lived In Libya Herodotus also wrote of cyclopes and griffins.

-- Pliny the Elder wrote mouthless hairy creatures called Astomi, who had no need of food or drink; men with dog's heads; and one-legged creatures who could hop at incredible speed and use their giant feet as umbrellas to protect them from the sun. See: https://www.bl.uk/the-middle-ages/ar...to-the-demonic
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Old 02-13-2020, 10:50 AM
 
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There are lots of weird things in "historic" documents. Which is why history is a discipline. You don't just read one source and buy it. Consider:

-- St. Columba fights the Loch Ness Monster. See: 0565: St. Columba and the Beast in the River Ness | Anomalies: the Strange & Unexplained

-- Herodotus wrote of "horned asses, not to mention dog-headed men, headless men with eyes in their breasts (I merely repeat what the Libyans say), wild men and wild women, and a great many other creatures by no means of a fabulous kind.” See: The Historian's Hut: Did You Know?: The Odd Beings That Herodotus Suggested Lived In Libya Herodotus also wrote of cyclopes and griffins.

-- Pliny the Elder wrote mouthless hairy creatures called Astomi, who had no need of food or drink; men with dog's heads; and one-legged creatures who could hop at incredible speed and use their giant feet as umbrellas to protect them from the sun. See: https://www.bl.uk/the-middle-ages/ar...to-the-demonic

I cannot call BF a hoax but it sure doesn't fit normal ideas.
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Old 02-13-2020, 10:54 AM
 
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In just the last 100 years humans have become much taller: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...E404&FORM=VIRE. The shorter our ancestors were; the taller an anomaly would appear. Plus your sources are not stating how much larger these 'creatures' were. What was an "encounter" to Lief Ericson?
It does say, the creatures were TOWERING over them, usually that refers to something that is much taller.


Its interesting to me, in these historical encounters (and these are just 2, there are more), the descriptions are nearly identical to modern day witnesses that claim to see Sasquatch, the longer than average forearms, the stench, height, etc.



Its also interesting that these old reports do not mention any supernatural abilities these creatures have, such as being able to step between dimensions or make itself invisible, heck, the one was held in chains, so people must have been able to capture it.
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Old 02-13-2020, 11:08 AM
 
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I cannot call BF a hoax but it sure doesn't fit normal ideas.
Some Bigfoot films and casts are most definitely hoaxes. All of them? I doubt it.
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Old 02-13-2020, 11:14 AM
 
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Some Bigfoot films and casts are most definitely hoaxes. All of them? I doubt it.
August 1958, when a construction crew was building a road through the rugged wilderness near Bluff Creek, Humboldt County, and discovered giant humanlike footprints in the ground around their equipment. For several mornings running, the men discovered that something had been disturbing their small equipment during the night. In one instance, an 800-pound tire and wheel from an earthmoving machine had been picked up and carried several yards across the compound. In another, a 300-pound drum of oil had been stolen from the camp, carried up a rocky mountain slope, and tossed into a deep canyon. And in each instance, only massive 16-inch footprints with a 50-to-60-inch stride offered any clue to the vandal's identity.
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Old 02-13-2020, 11:20 AM
 
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Ever play telephone as a kid? One person whispers a sentence into another's ear, who passes it on, etc. By the end of the chain, the sentence bears little resemblance to the original. That's what seems to have happened with tales of Leif's encounter with the skraelings (not skellrings: today known as native Americans or first nations for those up north). They've been passed on from one bigfoot article or post to another, with no one doing the work needed to research the original source (known as a primary source by historians).

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... Two sagas deal with the Norse discovery of America: Greenlanders’ Saga (Grænlendinga saga) and the Saga of Eric the Red (Eiríks saga rauða). In both sagas, Leif’s single voyage to the New World is described rather briefly. ... In Eric’s Saga, Leif sees no animals at all. In Greenlanders’ Saga, he sees salmon (lax) larger than any he had seen before. While large, the fish are not said to be hairy; there is no mention of feet.

The date 986 is very specific, and I haven’t figured out where it comes from. No one knows exactly when the Norse discovered Vinland, but, based on information from the sagas, the initial sighting seems to have taken place around 1000. Leif hadn’t been born in 986, and his father had not yet settled in Greenland. This is important: there is a logical progression from Iceland to Greenland to Vinland. ...

Absurd as they are, these details appear over and over, sometimes with extra absurdities added on. ...

the often-quoted description of what Morison calls the Skrellings (not Skellrings, as Byrne calls them) as “horribly ugly, hairy, swarthy, with great black eyes” (55) is not actually in quotation marks. More importantly, he applies this description to “the natives.” It would take a huge amount of determination and delusion to find Bigfoot in Morison’s account. The Skrælings (the word actually used in the sagas) speak, use weapons (arrows and some sort of catapult), row and presumably build boats made out of animal skin. They also bring a variety of animal pelts to trade. ...

So how did humans become Bigfoot? Well, first Morison retold the sagas in a slightly odd way. Byrne seized on one word and ignored everything else Morison said, while making several mistakes. Others have dismissed Byrne’s reservations but repeated his mistakes, while adding their own (anyone who uses the word “Skellring” has clearly gotten their information from Byrne, either directly or indirectly). The same mistakes get repeated religiously until they become established fact. And no one, not even Byrne, bothers to look at the actual sagas. ...
Source: https://skepticalhumanities.com/tag/leif-eiriksson/

As the title of the blog post says, "For the Love of Yeti, Bigfooters, Read a Primary Source!"
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Old 02-13-2020, 12:09 PM
 
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August 1958, when a construction crew was building a road through the rugged wilderness near Bluff Creek, Humboldt County, and discovered giant humanlike footprints in the ground around their equipment. For several mornings running, the men discovered that something had been disturbing their small equipment during the night. In one instance, an 800-pound tire and wheel from an earthmoving machine had been picked up and carried several yards across the compound. In another, a 300-pound drum of oil had been stolen from the camp, carried up a rocky mountain slope, and tossed into a deep canyon. And in each instance, only massive 16-inch footprints with a 50-to-60-inch stride offered any clue to the vandal's identity.


I read that in my Boy Scout magazine as a kid.
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