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Old 02-26-2020, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, Hilly South, Land of Doors
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Looks real to me. The guy's verbal reaction seems genuine.
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Old 02-26-2020, 09:41 AM
 
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How do we know there is a real Big Foot? How do you know there is a real Big Foot? How do you know what one looks like?
From the 10s of 1000s of eyewitness reports, (from all over the world), going back centuries, (they all describe a bipedal, humanoid creature)...Bears are able to walk on 2 legs here and there, but they are definitely not 'humanoid' in appearance, even the largest Grizzly bears do not have 'massive shoulders/arms'.


Its kind of funny, you and other skeptics are always asking those that believe, for something more than words and stories, but when pictures and video do surface, you call them 'obvious fakes', guys in suits, etc...you do not realize it but you are doing the same thing we are...How DO YOU KNOW what a bigfoot looks like, (to be able to label a picture or video fake or hoaxed)?


IM beginning to understand why Versatile wanted to take a break from this...this is starting to sound like the old 'whose on first routine'. LOL
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Old 02-26-2020, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Alamogordo, NM
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The Paul Freeman video is real and true. As good as you're gonna get.
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Old 02-26-2020, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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From the 10s of 1000s of eyewitness reports, (from all over the world), going back centuries, (they all describe a bipedal, humanoid creature)...Bears are able to walk on 2 legs here and there, but they are definitely not 'humanoid' in appearance, even the largest Grizzly bears do not have 'massive shoulders/arms'.


Its kind of funny, you and other skeptics are always asking those that believe, for something more than words and stories, but when pictures and video do surface, you call them 'obvious fakes', guys in suits, etc...you do not realize it but you are doing the same thing we are...How DO YOU KNOW what a bigfoot looks like, (to be able to label a picture or video fake or hoaxed)?


IM beginning to understand why Versatile wanted to take a break from this...this is starting to sound like the old 'whose on first routine'. LOL
You stated you liked the thermal imagery drone pictures even though they were too expensive for you at this time. I also provided links to a company that sold thermal sights for our weapons. With the thermal sights for hunting weapons one could see the feral pig before the shot, as it was hit with the bullet and the dead pig after the shot. If you combine that with a veterinarian's autopsy we can be very sure it is a feral pig. We can even send out samples to a lab to test its DNA. We have all pieces of the puzzle and there is no room to declare it was a hoax.

As far as your 1,000s of eyewitness reports; there are not thousands of eyewitness reports. Many are like elkotronics' report where they never saw the creature. They heard a noise or saw trees shake. Some have left it open and stated that they thought it was a Big Foot. Most of the sightings are anonymous; like this forum. We have no idea who we are talking to or what their mental or physical condition is or if they have references. So what percentage of sightings lists the individual that reported the event and is willing to talk to others about what they saw?

Our US population is over 325,000,000 and most have never seen or heard one of your creatures. A large number of that population is carrying cellphones with great cameras. While a good picture of one creature would not be enough evidence to prove its existence; it would be a start. Many of the phones can record time and location. That is better than just a still picture of a gorilla siting in some field someplace and claiming it is a Big Foot.

What I got from Versatile is that it is the skeptics that must prove these exist or do not exist. But we are not claiming to have seen one. It is not in our court; the ball is in your court and, if you want believers, then cough up some evidence.
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Old 02-26-2020, 03:40 PM
 
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The Paul Freeman video is real and true. As good as you're gonna get.
And what do you base that conclusion on? Do you have additional info that hasn't already been discussed?
Why would it be "as good as you're gonna get"?
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Old 02-26-2020, 04:31 PM
 
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Goodness, if that is "Top 5" of the best most conclusive Bigfoot footage then I'd hate to see footage deemed as inconclusive 100% hoax
I thought it was this thread that you mentioned there not being any sightings in Malta...well...look at this...


https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...0042743907&z=5
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Old 02-26-2020, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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I thought it was this thread that you mentioned there not being any sightings in Malta...well...look at this...


https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...0042743907&z=5
Those sightings were not in Malta. There is no place to hide in Malta. Use the map that you provided.
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Old 02-26-2020, 08:21 PM
 
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You stated you liked the thermal imagery drone pictures even though they were too expensive for you at this time. I also provided links to a company that sold thermal sights for our weapons. With the thermal sights for hunting weapons one could see the feral pig before the shot, as it was hit with the bullet and the dead pig after the shot. If you combine that with a veterinarian's autopsy we can be very sure it is a feral pig. We can even send out samples to a lab to test its DNA. We have all pieces of the puzzle and there is no room to declare it was a hoax.

As far as your 1,000s of eyewitness reports; there are not thousands of eyewitness reports. Many are like elkotronics' report where they never saw the creature. They heard a noise or saw trees shake. Some have left it open and stated that they thought it was a Big Foot. Most of the sightings are anonymous; like this forum. We have no idea who we are talking to or what their mental or physical condition is or if they have references. So what percentage of sightings lists the individual that reported the event and is willing to talk to others about what they saw?

Our US population is over 325,000,000 and most have never seen or heard one of your creatures. A large number of that population is carrying cellphones with great cameras. While a good picture of one creature would not be enough evidence to prove its existence; it would be a start. Many of the phones can record time and location. That is better than just a still picture of a gorilla siting in some field someplace and claiming it is a Big Foot.

What I got from Versatile is that it is the skeptics that must prove these exist or do not exist. But we are not claiming to have seen one. It is not in our court; the ball is in your court and, if you want believers, then cough up some evidence.
On the BFRO website, ive not seen any anonymous entries, in fact, many of them have been investigated by field investigators, they even list the credentials of the BFRO field investigator near the bottom of the page on every reports, many of them are educated animal and nature experts.


The BFRO website also has Class A and B sightings, (A is the class when the actual creature is seen).
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Old 02-27-2020, 06:00 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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On the BFRO website, ive not seen any anonymous entries, in fact, many of them have been investigated by field investigators, they even list the credentials of the BFRO field investigator near the bottom of the page on every reports, many of them are educated animal and nature experts.


The BFRO website also has Class A and B sightings, (A is the class when the actual creature is seen).
Maybe you should look at more because there are those that simply say: Submitted by a witness. There are some that give a first name and last name initial. I did not see any personal contact information for any of them.

As far as the 'credentials' for the BF investigators; how do they earn their living? If they are paid to 'investigate' they have a vested interest in keeping the myth alive. You don't trust anything our government says; but people that want to sell books, give lectures, or simply be on the payroll of a BF 'research' team and you believe every word they say!
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Old 02-27-2020, 09:15 AM
 
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Maybe you should look at more because there are those that simply say: Submitted by a witness. There are some that give a first name and last name initial. I did not see any personal contact information for any of them.

As far as the 'credentials' for the BF investigators; how do they earn their living? If they are paid to 'investigate' they have a vested interest in keeping the myth alive. You don't trust anything our government says; but people that want to sell books, give lectures, or simply be on the payroll of a BF 'research' team and you believe every word they say!
I doubt BF investigators are paid for their services (its probably more of a hobby for them), there are simply not enough BF reports in any one area to support such a paid position.


I can understand why they do not post full names or contact info in the online report database, (thats to protect their privacy).
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