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Old 01-20-2021, 05:31 AM
 
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I decided to put this on the 'unexplained/mysteries' board because of the theory being discussed.


I was out earlier today and to be honest, it looked like any other sunday around here, I stopped at work briefly, they were fairly busy, about normal for a cold sunday afternoon, I stopped by Lowes to get some lumber for a project, there were PLENTY of people shopping there, I also stopped at Walmart to get a few things, same thing, PLENTY of people out shopping, in fact, the cashier lines were LONG at walmart, (so Im guessing large retail stores will be the next to close down, since they want to target places where 25 or more people congregate). I also called in a pizza to pick up, they were business as usual for a sunday too.


Yet I keep hearing people from other cities saying their area is like a ghost town, no one eating out or shopping, Im not sure what to make of this?


I also heard today that OH gov ordered all restaurants to be closed starting at 9m tonight, I would bet, large retail stores are next to be closed, Im not sure if they will close gas stations or not, its possible, because we have ALOT of people coming and going thru the day.


Im starting to wonder if there is something else going on and the virus is a disguise...maybe this is a plan to devastate the US economy intentionally or 'cull the herd' so to speak. Maybe I am just distrustful of Govt, or maybe Im just too much of a conspiracy theorist?!! lol


Anyone care to comment or add a theory?
The virus is not a disguise....(some of your posts....SIGH, just like your post about the failed coup at the capitol building..you said they were just peaceful tourists)

I don't know Rstevens, you worry me sometimes...350,000 dead Americans and its a hoax just like the capitol thing was a hoax you will probaby say.
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Old 01-20-2021, 07:46 AM
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Location: Sheffield, England
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No. And if any of you blighters with "theories" want to be taken seriously, PROVE IT.
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Old 01-20-2021, 09:47 AM
 
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T-cell response difference is mainly about age and sex.

females mount stronger T-cell response to Covid

That was one of the early facts about the disease. They regulate the cytokines which can be overactive from a Covid-19 infection.
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Old 01-24-2021, 04:16 AM
 
Location: PRC
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Countries 'massage' their figures because they are often political sticks to beat the opposition with. For example, the UK figures are super-high, now - bearing in mind there are only 65 million people in the whole of the UK, some of these figures make it sound as if all your neighbours and friends are all coming down with the virus, but thats not actually the case, so where do these figures come from?.

Anyway...

OK, so this is an anti-vax website but Judy Mikovits is a well known researcher.
quote below from the interview with Dr Judy Mikovits and attourney Larry Klayman

Source

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BOLLING: All right, let’s bring you in Larry, let’s talk about the law here. What is your claim and, you know, how is it steeped in law?

LARRY KLAYMAN: Well we’re looking at a possible RICO case, Eric, and we’re analyzing that right now, but what it appears happened is the Chinese got that virus. And we know that $3.7 million was given as a grant during the Obama administration to that Wuhan laboratory, that’s not in dispute. And the Chinese then engineered it into a bioweapon. So what happened here, actually, is relevant to our lawsuit in Dallas, Texas, our class action against the communist Chinese who are releasing, either accidentally or by design, this pandemic. So, it’s a very serious matter, and it needs to be looked into. No one wants to discuss it, and I suspect the president probably knows about this right now, which is why — and I support the president personally, but I don’t think that’s why he’s — I think that’s why he’s going not real strong against China right now, because this virus actually had its origins, apparently, in a lab in Ft. Detrick, Maryland.
I still think there is something fishy going on with this COVID-19 vaccine and why the US, UK, and many other governments want everyone to have it. They are playing the fear card yet again as they have with the previous terrorist threat which led to a number of further controlling laws being passed. Freedoms are being eroded and the Constitiution is being ignored and walked all over.

I suspect that vaccines are an ideal way to get 'something' into our bodies, and fear is a way to get people to want to have a vaccine. It remains to be seen what effect this vaccine will have on the population who take it, but well-respected doctors and scientists tell us that there is a possible link between vaccinations and serious diseases.

CDC quietly removes website headline that claimed "Vaccines Do Not Cause Autism"

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After a court challenge questioning the scientific support behind the claim that "vaccines do not cause autism," the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has removed that headline from its website.
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We only learned recently that the government's own one-time lead expert in defending vaccine-autism claims in court, the world renowned pediatric neurologist Dr. Andrew Zimmerman, changed his expert opinion based on new science and concluded vaccines can-- and do -- cause autism, after all, in "exceptional" cases.

In a sworn affidavit, Dr. Zimmerman says that when he informed the government (through Department of Justice attorneys who defend vaccine companies in court) that vaccines can cause autism, the government fired him as an expert witness and misrepresented his opinion in court to use against cases alleging vaccine-autism injuries.

Dr. Zimmerman had treated Hannah Poling, the daughter of his colleague Dr. Jon Poling, and said the science he learned in that case was part of how he came to understand that vaccines can cause autism.
CDC website article
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Old 01-24-2021, 05:16 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Countries 'massage' their figures because they are often political sticks to beat the opposition with. For example, the UK figures are super-high, now - bearing in mind there are only 65 million people in the whole of the UK, some of these figures make it sound as if all your neighbours and friends are all coming down with the virus, but thats not actually the case, so where do these figures come from?.

Anyway...

OK, so this is an anti-vax website but Judy Mikovits is a well known researcher.
quote below from the interview with Dr Judy Mikovits and attourney Larry Klayman

Source

I still think there is something fishy going on with this COVID-19 vaccine and why the US, UK, and many other governments want everyone to have it. They are playing the fear card yet again as they have with the previous terrorist threat which led to a number of further controlling laws being passed. Freedoms are being eroded and the Constitiution is being ignored and walked all over.

I suspect that vaccines are an ideal way to get 'something' into our bodies, and fear is a way to get people to want to have a vaccine. It remains to be seen what effect this vaccine will have on the population who take it, but well-respected doctors and scientists tell us that there is a possible link between vaccinations and serious diseases.

CDC quietly removes website headline that claimed "Vaccines Do Not Cause Autism"

CDC website article
Mikovits is a crank and COVID conspiracy theorist.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/pla...vits-covid-19/

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...ny-fauci-viral

Attkisson is antivax to the core.

Refuted here:

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthca...eres-no-debate

The CDC info on vaccines and autism is still there:

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html

https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skep...d-autism-page/

"Well respected" doctors and scientists from around the world support the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.

Yes, "vaccines are an ideal way to get 'something' into our bodies". The something is a way to protect against infections that can maim and kill, including the coronavirus.

You are headed deep into the rabbit hole of anti-vax woo and deliberate misinformation.
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Old 01-24-2021, 05:40 PM
 
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Mikovits is a crank and COVID conspiracy theorist.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/pla...vits-covid-19/

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...ny-fauci-viral

Attkisson is antivax to the core.

Refuted here:

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthca...eres-no-debate

The CDC info on vaccines and autism is still there:

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html

https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skep...d-autism-page/

"Well respected" doctors and scientists from around the world support the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.

Yes, "vaccines are an ideal way to get 'something' into our bodies". The something is a way to protect against infections that can maim and kill, including the coronavirus.

You are headed deep into the rabbit hole of anti-vax woo and deliberate misinformation.
Thank you for correcting the misinformation.
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Old 01-25-2021, 06:03 AM
 
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Mikovits is a crank and COVID conspiracy theorist.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/pla...vits-covid-19/

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...ny-fauci-viral

Attkisson is antivax to the core.

Refuted here:

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthca...eres-no-debate

The CDC info on vaccines and autism is still there:

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html

https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skep...d-autism-page/

"Well respected" doctors and scientists from around the world support the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.

Yes, "vaccines are an ideal way to get 'something' into our bodies". The something is a way to protect against infections that can maim and kill, including the coronavirus.

You are headed deep into the rabbit hole of anti-vax woo and deliberate misinformation.
They enjoy the rabbit hole. It's the perfect place to escape reality. Who knows what that 'something' could be? Maybe a microchip for tracking, buying, selling, etc??
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Old 02-02-2021, 04:55 PM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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T-cell response difference is mainly about age and sex.

females mount stronger T-cell response to Covid

That was one of the early facts about the disease. They regulate the cytokines which can be overactive from a Covid-19 infection.
Well unless you get a flu shot. That blunts the CD4 T cell response that is so vital for COVID resistance. I know, 2nd time I have posted it.

https://www.infectiousdiseaseadvisor...shed-response/
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Old 02-03-2021, 12:12 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Well unless you get a flu shot. That blunts the CD4 T cell response that is so vital for COVID resistance. I know, 2nd time I have posted it.

https://www.infectiousdiseaseadvisor...shed-response/
Funny, the article does not mention COVID-19 at all. The CD4 T cells were those specific for influenza antigens.

https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/20...bm-2020-111549

"Results

A total of 53 752 clinically confirmed COVID-19 cases were analysed. Controlling for health facility of treatment, comorbidities as well as an extensive range of sociodemographic factors, patients who received a recent influenza vaccine experienced on average 7% lower odds of needing intensive care treatment (95% CI 0.87 to 0.98), 17% lower odds of requiring invasive respiratory support (95% CI 0.77 to 0.88) and 16% lower odds of death (95% CI 0.78 to 0.90). Protective effects were larger when the vaccine was administered after onset of symptoms as well as among younger patients.

Conclusion

Patients with COVID-19 with recent inactivated influenza vaccination experience significantly better health outcomes than non-vaccinated patients in Brazil. Beneficial off-target effects of influenza vaccination through trained innate immune responses seem plausible and need to be further explored. Large-scale promotion of influenza vaccines seems advisable, especially in populations at high risk for severe COVID-19 disease progression."
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Old 02-04-2021, 12:42 PM
 
Location: The Commonwealth of Virginia
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Conclusion

Patients with COVID-19 with recent inactivated influenza vaccination experience significantly better health outcomes than non-vaccinated patients in Brazil. Beneficial off-target effects of influenza vaccination through trained innate immune responses seem plausible and need to be further explored. Large-scale promotion of influenza vaccines seems advisable, especially in populations at high risk for severe COVID-19 disease progression."
Suzy_Q, I appreciate you continuing to pound your head on the anti-vaxxer wall. I really do. You counter innuendo and conspiracy theory with reason, science and facts. But isn't your head sore by now? (I'd rep you again but CD is telling me I have to spread it around.)

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