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Old 03-19-2020, 04:50 PM
 
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I don't prescribe to the doom and gloom forecasts. Obviously this reaction is unprecedented - the entire world is essentially shut down. However essentials remain - supply chain is intact, utilities remain, etc. The biggest impact frankly is financial not lethal. To control the virus we are essentially destroying the economy. If it saves lives, I'm on board. The virus itself will increase for a few more months, flatten out, then decrease...as it has in China. But finanically, it might take years to recover.

Look around you.


THIS is the economy of the New Green Deal.


I can't believe it. AOC pulled it off.
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Old 03-19-2020, 05:31 PM
 
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The drawback of shutting so many things down is that the things that are open are crowded with long lines! I'm not sure we are accomplishing what we really want by concentrating economic activity in fewer and denser points of contact.
Yep, I think thats precisely why they are close to cracking down much tougher on this, people just arent abiding by the distancing rule. I just read from someone in FL posted that their beaches are overrun with people from other states, and no one is abiding by the 6ft distancing rule. Its nuts.
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Old 03-19-2020, 05:40 PM
 
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I went to one of our larger grocery stores this morning at 6:00. It was out of fresh meat, fresh seafood, paper products, and cleaning supplies. Plus many of the other isles had limited supplies; like butter that had only about a dozen one pound boxes. I know that many people are hoarding; but the lack of supplies is troubling to say the least. It is amazing how fast our system has changed.
I have a friend that is an 'in town' tractor trailer driver, the way he explained the 'supply chain' to me yesterday, its VERY fragile, and its only about 3 days worth at any given time, thats why the stores do not have anything to restock, they are waiting the distribution centers, the distribution centers are waiting on the manufacturers to make it, and the manufacturers are having problems getting supplies they need to make the stuff.


It seems to me, the real impact from this virus is not going to be from the sickness itself, but rather, from all the things that fell like dominos once it started, and of course, if this keeps up another month or two, we will be in a deep depression by then.


Its amazing how fast the world falls apart.
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Old 03-19-2020, 06:08 PM
 
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Look around you.


THIS is the economy of the New Green Deal.


I can't believe it. AOC pulled it off.
Any time our economy is interrupted or corrected, it's always the "perfect shakedown" that takes jobs (for a long period of time) which consumes savings and emergency funds, and replacement jobs don't offer what we used to make, so it drains retirement savings, and we never catch back up. Assets MUST be sold at all time lows in order to avoid HOMELESSNESS.

As much as the individuals (not corporations) who declared "strategic bankruptcy" in the last fallout are vilified, I applaud they absolutely refused to fall victim to the above scenario. They one day decided they'd stop draining their savings and just stop paying bills cold turkey. They knew they'd lose it all, anyway. These people utilized their exemptions, and I imagine, at least part of the $1M+ 401(k) exemption, as well. The only retirement accounts safe were ERISA-qualified, and did NOT include IRA's (sorry, Dave Ramsey). For a man who filed for BK and wrote off some $300,000+, my eyebrow raises when he chastises people for even mentioning that they were considering filing.

Since we're all at home for the next little while, watch this with your families tonight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk7gPypWP3Y
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Old 03-19-2020, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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I have a friend that is an 'in town' tractor trailer driver, the way he explained the 'supply chain' to me yesterday, its VERY fragile, and its only about 3 days worth at any given time, thats why the stores do not have anything to restock, they are waiting the distribution centers, the distribution centers are waiting on the manufacturers to make it, and the manufacturers are having problems getting supplies they need to make the stuff.


It seems to me, the real impact from this virus is not going to be from the sickness itself, but rather, from all the things that fell like dominos once it started, and of course, if this keeps up another month or two, we will be in a deep depression by then.


Its amazing how fast the world falls apart.
Many of our supplies are also outsourced. China, India, Mexico to name just a few. If you have lots of sick people in your home country and you need mask or surgical gloves; do you supply your people first or a foreign countries? I always felt it was dumb to be so dependent on the rest of the world. One can never see the future or plan successfully. Of course many of those outsourced supplies have to come in on ships. If the ship has one crew member that test positive it can hold up the whole load.

As far as what is more dangerous, the virus or the impact of the economic impact, both are dangerous. If we did not keep people apart we would just be another Italy with a health system that cannot treat all of the patients. Our local, state and federal officials are trying to make sure we can treat all the cases. If we start running out of rooms or doctors; then the death toll will skyrocket. Adjustment will have to be made as we get farther into the disease.

The cases in my County went from 7 to 15 in one day. Our President announced that one of our Malaria drugs can help those with this new virus. We will need more information; but at least that is hopeful. We also have one lab that has started human trials for a vaccine.
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Old 03-19-2020, 06:31 PM
 
Location: PRC
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It seems that they have determined that at least 38% of peole who get seriously ill are between 20 and 54, so it NOT just the oldies who are getting seriously ill. Almost half of the seriously ill are under 65.

What bothers me is that the banks are talking about making it easier for people who cannot afford their payments. This 'making it easier' is all about reducing the payments, lending more, or extending the time the loan has to be repaid. In the last 2008 crash, the banks got huge amounts of handouts from the various governments and central banks, yet none of that has filtered down to the people.

Most has gone in bonuses and Golden Handshakes for the top people.

Really, I think we need a different banking system.
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Old 03-19-2020, 06:41 PM
 
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Many of our supplies are also outsourced. China, India, Mexico to name just a few. If you have lots of sick people in your home country and you need mask or surgical gloves; do you supply your people first or a foreign countries? I always felt it was dumb to be so dependent on the rest of the world. One can never see the future or plan successfully. Of course many of those outsourced supplies have to come in on ships. If the ship has one crew member that test positive it can hold up the whole load.

As far as what is more dangerous, the virus or the impact of the economic impact, both are dangerous. If we did not keep people apart we would just be another Italy with a health system that cannot treat all of the patients. Our local, state and federal officials are trying to make sure we can treat all the cases. If we start running out of rooms or doctors; then the death toll will skyrocket. Adjustment will have to be made as we get farther into the disease.

The cases in my County went from 7 to 15 in one day. Our President announced that one of our Malaria drugs can help those with this new virus. We will need more information; but at least that is hopeful. We also have one lab that has started human trials for a vaccine.
Cases went from 1 to 4 today in the small city out in the middle of nowhere I live in. It is going to get much much worse before it gets better in a couple months.
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Old 03-19-2020, 06:52 PM
 
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Look around you.


THIS is the economy of the New Green Deal.


I can't believe it. AOC pulled it off.
It's astounding how much power is given to one freshman representative by the far right.
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Old 03-19-2020, 06:54 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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13,865 cases in America at this hour.
When this thread started on 3/16/20 there were 4,663.
At the current rate there will be over 200,000 cases at the end of the month and about 3,000 of those will die.
The rate of increase (doubles every 3 days) will have to slow down because at the current rate 212 million people would be infected by end of April. That's 42 days. Time enough to double 14 times. Double 13,000 14 times and you get 212 million.



No cure, no vaccine. Your only defense is your immune system.
Or you could stay home like we're all supposed to.
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Old 03-19-2020, 08:32 PM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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I decided to put this on the 'unexplained/mysteries' board because of the theory being discussed.

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Im starting to wonder if there is something else going on and the virus is a disguise...maybe this is a plan to devastate the US economy intentionally or 'cull the herd' so to speak. Maybe I am just distrustful of Govt, or maybe Im just too much of a conspiracy theorist?!! lol


Anyone care to comment or add a theory?
The threat is real & the COVID is real. I blame Bill Gates, lol! I do. And the CDC.

Why did BG sponsor a mock coronavirus outbreak in October that "killed 65 million people" & why was international travel not restricted in January, given that it was known that a virus could spread like this if they did not?

https://www.businessinsider.com/scie...-deaths-2020-1

I understand why a mock outbreak would be a good tool. Did they not learn what NOT to do? I can't stand him. He is a eugenicist & a 'depopulationist'.

https://www.gatesnotes.com/Developme...rs-speech-2018

Did I mention that BG is a major stockholder in the Pirbright Institute that engineered a virulent strain of coronavirus? Because that should be taken into account.

https://www.pirbright.ac.uk/partners...r-stakeholders

His dad was a VP at Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood's Margret Sanger. I hate her more & this is the first time I have ever said I hate anybody. She literally organized the first world population conference.

https://sangerpapers.wordpress.com/c...on-conference/

Not to mention his support of anti-fertility vaccines. I am sorry but if you have two generations of fanatical population control interests, hold a mock outbreak using a virus you paid to have tweaked with & then an actual outbreak happens within 2 months & public health authorities are advising government authorities to do what can only be described as how NOT to handle it? I'm going to be suspicious of you. So I am.

Eww I can't even stand talking about him. This whole pandemic must be like porn for him. Wonder if he is nice & safe up in Antarctica now. Gross.

And the CDC. They have been in bed with him & his vaccine money for decades. I am not the only one who thinks they are liable for this.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevefo.../#57c6a0082e7a

I wonder if they will EVER study the roll of the flu vax in this, given this study published in January that shows increased susceptibility specifically to coronavirus in people vaccinated against the flu.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31607599

I mean ... it wasn't COVID because they were studying 2017-2018 flu vax recipients but COVID is a coronavirus. And the top 15 countries for COVID rates AND death all have seasonal flu vaccine programs. If this is relevant for today's COVID, someone needs tried for crimes of war against humanity. Bastards.

Well I feel better now getting that off my chest, lol. Just nobody reply to me & quote Snopes. I'll get all riled up again.
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