Why Dr. Ketchum was correct with the Sasquatch DNA findings (hoax, strange)

[ocpaul20]

Originally Posted by Craftsman82

I must say if we haven't found bigfoot by now, chances of it being real get lower by the day.


I can understand what drives people to go out and look for evidence of bigfoot, the dog looking thing the 3 of us saw in Tuskegee NP in 1994 was definitely something not on the norm! The way it moved and bobbed its head, how it moved around otherwise and its behavior, I don't know what it was, but it was a real thing, it had drool coming from its mouth, we could see the dirt and leaf litter in its tangled hair. As strange as it is to say this it looked like a werewolf.

I believe you. Others have seen it too.

See? This is what happens. People have sightings, report them and then others - because of fear or some other personal issue, deny those reports.

Bolded above: Strange things have been seen in the sky for centuries and we still dont know what they are, apart from calling them Gods we are no wiser about what is being seen. At least on the ground we can investigate more easily but the will to investigate properly is not there yet. When someone throws a lot of money at it, like they are doing at Skinwalker Ranch, I dont think we will have anything scientifically 'real' to show. I think Brandon Fugal would still have brought in scientists, even if the TV was not there. He bought it in 2016.

Do we really want to know what scary thing is under the bed? Obviously not.

[fisheye]

Originally Posted by ocpaul20

I believe you. Others have seen it too.

See? This is what happens. People have sightings, report them and then others - because of fear or some other personal issue, deny those reports.

Asking for proof is not a personal issue! It is the rational thing to do when one makes an unusual claim. One would be a telemarketer's dream to not question.

Originally Posted by ocpaul20

Bolded above: Strange things have been seen in the sky for centuries and we still dont know what they are, apart from calling them Gods we are no wiser about what is being seen. At least on the ground we can investigate more easily but the will to investigate properly is not there yet. When someone throws a lot of money at it, like they are doing at Skinwalker Ranch, I dont think we will have anything scientifically 'real' to show. I think Brandon Fugal would still have brought in scientists, even if the TV was not there. He bought it in 2016.

Do we really want to know what scary thing is under the bed? Obviously not.

And that is the problem with most sightings. People do not think to document their observations mainly because of their fears. To the best of my knowledge, nobody has ever been killed by a cryptic, but people treat these sightings as if they are lucky to be alive. Of course, that might be the case with a case of misidentification of a dangerous (real) predator.

Unless people get pictures or collect the evidence we are left with only campfire stories. "It looked like a werewolf" does not mean 'it was a werewolf'. It could have been a bear with the mange, but we will never know because of the lack of evidence.

[Craftsman82]

Originally Posted by fisheye

Asking for proof is not a personal issue! It is the rational thing to do when one makes an unusual claim. One would be a telemarketer's dream to not question.



And that is the problem with most sightings. People do not think to document their observations mainly because of their fears. To the best of my knowledge, nobody has ever been killed by a cryptic, but people treat these sightings as if they are lucky to be alive. Of course, that might be the case with a case of misidentification of a dangerous (real) predator.

Unless people get pictures or collect the evidence we are left with only campfire stories. "It looked like a werewolf" does not mean 'it was a werewolf'. It could have been a bear with the mange, but we will never know because of the lack of evidence.

we are very familiar with bear down here...this thing didn't move, or act like any bear we have ever seen. My BOL said he has never seen anything like it. It was close to being 2X the size of normal black bear, and all the meat was on top haunches, Everything was wrong about it. whatever it was it was definitely something living. it did not use the well formed game trails, it was all over the place.
I didn't mean to insinuate I thought it was a real werewolf, this thing was an animal of some kind, but if someone took a picture of it and asked a group what they thought it was, werewolf would likely the answer you hear, its weird but that's what it looked like.
We told some other people about it, really just wanting to know ourselves, but no one really knows, one guy at a friends hunting club did say he had ran upon a couple of these before, he didn't know much but he did think they were not many of them. We were not really scared for our lives because all in all we sure as hell weren't goin to tangle with it, maybe if I had a bazooka that day!

[fisheye]

Originally Posted by Craftsman82

we are very familiar with bear down here...this thing didn't move, or act like any bear we have ever seen. My BOL said he has never seen anything like it. It was close to being 2X the size of normal black bear, and all the meat was on top haunches, Everything was wrong about it. whatever it was it was definitely something living. it did not use the well formed game trails, it was all over the place.
I didn't mean to insinuate I thought it was a real werewolf, this thing was an animal of some kind, but if someone took a picture of it and asked a group what they thought it was, werewolf would likely the answer you hear, its weird but that's what it looked like.
We told some other people about it, really just wanting to know ourselves, but no one really knows, one guy at a friends hunting club did say he had ran upon a couple of these before, he didn't know much but he did think they were not many of them. We were not really scared for our lives because all in all we sure as hell weren't goin to tangle with it, maybe if I had a bazooka that day!

Sometimes known animals get injured. Sometimes known animals produce offspring that have deformities, are larger than 'normal', or suffer from a disease. Take a look at these pictures and see if they look similar to what you saw: https://www.bing.com/search?q=bear+w...NAB01&PC=NMTS? The second from the top left could easily be identified as a werewolf. Keep in mind that an animal suffering from a condition, like mange, might move differently than 'normal'.

Several years ago I saw a deer with hanging tumors like these: https://www.bing.com/images/search?q...mageBasicHover. The one we spotted was covered and it took more than one glance to identify what we were looking at.

[Craftsman82]

Originally Posted by fisheye

Sometimes known animals get injured. Sometimes known animals produce offspring that have deformities, are larger than 'normal', or suffer from a disease. Take a look at these pictures and see if they look similar to what you saw: https://www.bing.com/search?q=bear+w...NAB01&PC=NMTS? The second from the top left could easily be identified as a werewolf. Keep in mind that an animal suffering from a condition, like mange, might move differently than 'normal'.

Several years ago I saw a deer with hanging tumors like these: https://www.bing.com/images/search?q...mageBasicHover. The one we spotted was covered and it took more than one glance to identify what we were looking at.

No, none of those images looks anything like the thing we saw, bears with the mange still have the same body type, our beast was very different

[fisheye]

Originally Posted by Craftsman82

No, none of those images looks anything like the thing we saw, bears with the mange still have the same body type, our beast was very different

How did it look different? Several of the pictures I have seen, of bears with the mange, make the animal look almost wolf-like. Even with the link I posted, several of those bears do not have the fullness to their upper body that we associate with bears. Sometimes the viewer's perspective can change what we think we saw.

About fifteen years ago I was fishing and I saw what looked like a sea monster several hundred yards away. Had I left without investigating I would have sworn I saw a Nessie. But curiosity got the best of me and I paddled over for a better look. It was two large snapping turtles (about 45 pounds each) mating on the top of the water. They kept rolling over and over and were oblivious to my presents.

You also qualified your report by saying that you 'thought' it was a werewolf - like you were not sure.

[ocpaul20]

Originally Posted by fisheye

Asking for proof is not a personal issue! It is the rational thing to do when one makes an unusual claim. One would be a telemarketer's dream to not question.

The way it is done by some people who keep on and on and on, IS a personal issue. There is something driving these people which is beyond the normal curiosity. These kind of people are often in denial and cannot see anything wrong with continuing to ask for proof even after it becomes inappropriate.

Context and content have to be taken into account when engaging in discussion, and asking for scientific proof is appropriate on a science forum but not necessarily so on one such as this.

For these people who continue past the social stopping point, I consider that some fear is driving the behaviour. Fears often stem from our life as a child and what happened then which - unless we resolve the issues - last for a lifetime.

[Craftsman82]

Originally Posted by fisheye

How did it look different? Several of the pictures I have seen, of bears with the mange, make the animal look almost wolf-like. Even with the link I posted, several of those bears do not have the fullness to their upper body that we associate with bears. Sometimes the viewer's perspective can change what we think we saw.

About fifteen years ago I was fishing and I saw what looked like a sea monster several hundred yards away. Had I left without investigating I would have sworn I saw a Nessie. But curiosity got the best of me and I paddled over for a better look. It was two large snapping turtles (about 45 pounds each) mating on the top of the water. They kept rolling over and over and were oblivious to my presents.

You also qualified your report by saying that you 'thought' it was a werewolf - like you were not sure.

Have you watched the Underworld movies with Kate Beckinsale,?
If so, the werewolfs in this movie are identical to what we saw that day, It was walking on 4 legs like an animal would.
Im not sure what you are wanting me to say? it looked like a werewolf to us. I guess I should have clarified that I do not believe in real werewolves. We only saw it that one time, we all knew it was NO bear, that much we did know fpr sure. this thing had a peculiar way about it, it was nothing related to bears! as far as I know, none of the others have ever seen it again, we hunt pretty often during season, so we are out there. Not always in the same areas
, but we were all born and raised in this area, hve been in and out of the forest since I was knee high to a duck.

[fisheye]

Originally Posted by Craftsman82

Have you watched the Underworld movies with Kate Beckinsale,?
If so, the werewolfs in this movie are identical to what we saw that day, It was walking on 4 legs like an animal would.
Im not sure what you are wanting me to say? it looked like a werewolf to us. I guess I should have clarified that I do not believe in real werewolves. We only saw it that one time, we all knew it was NO bear, that much we did know fpr sure. this thing had a peculiar way about it, it was nothing related to bears! as far as I know, none of the others have ever seen it again, we hunt pretty often during season, so we are out there. Not always in the same areas
, but we were all born and raised in this area, hve been in and out of the forest since I was knee high to a duck.

I think I was watching Kate Beckinsale in the leather outfit more than the werewolves!

I was out hunting from the time I was knee-high and that one deer with the growths on it I only saw once. I am not asking you to change your story at all. I am asking what made your creature so different than those pictures of bears with the mange? Some of the bear pictures in that link I sent you look very similar to the creatures that Kate loved to play with.

[Craftsman82]

Originally Posted by fisheye

I think I was watching Kate Beckinsale in the leather outfit more than the werewolves!

I was out hunting from the time I was knee-high and that one deer with the growths on it I only saw once. I am not asking you to change your story at all. I am asking what made your creature so different than those pictures of bears with the mange? Some of the bear pictures in that link I sent you look very similar to the creatures that Kate loved to play with.

I second that opinion about kate in the leather outift!


A couple points about bears with mange condition, they often appear smaller due to loosing a a good deal of the bulk from fur layering (our beast looked much larger with sparse fur) i could see the muscular build of it in some areas, this was no bear! It didn't move or act like a bear and didn't demonstrate any of the common behaviors that come with mange. It also had a long dogs tail (Im positive that mange does not cause tails to grow!)
the only possibility I can think of is it was a kind of very large canine or wolf that had genetic tampering or part of a weird experiment. that is somewhat disturbing considering how large and fierce this beast looked, its kind of a you had to be there moment to understand how this thing looked, it could have torn all 3 of us to shreds in 10 minutes if it had cause to do so. I do remember that none of us bagged any deer that day and we didn't see many deer tracks so whatever it was, it was probably taking a toll on the ddeer population in that area.