Alien spaceships and the speed of light (phenomena, aliens, UFO)

[NatesDude]

Originally Posted by Mark S.

There is no collective mind at NASA. NASA is made up of thousands of people. Some believe undoubtedly believe there is advanced alien life in our part of the galaxy. Others don't. Look hard enough and you'll probably even find a few people at NASA who believe Elvis clones are fighting the reptiloids in the Hollow Earth.

Granted, but there are official releases from them on NASA projects and the results. This is obviously what I am referring to.

More of a semantic point than a scientific one, but we can't "see" any planets beyond our solar system. We can detect them. Am I splitting hairs? Maybe. But it's an important point.

https://astronomy.com/news/2021/08/a...r-solar-system

Possibly an important point in a science forum , not so much in a forum dedicated to UFOs and werewolves . But I do understand the difference, so valid point .

[NatesDude]

Originally Posted by rstevens62

They are ultra terrestrial...they reside somewhere on this planet...a place that is inaccessible to man.

And we know this how?

[Mark S.]

Originally Posted by NatesDude

And we know this how?

Because there is absolutely no evidence of it. Proof of the conspiracy!

[sam812]

Originally Posted by NatesDude

And we know this how?

Because some guy said so on a podcast. It was the callers uncles friends cousin who lived by the guy that heard it from another guy at a bar so you know it is for reals.

[steiconi]

Perhaps the aliens aren't coming in person, but are transmitting somehow. Analogous to calling someone on the phone instead of going to their house, or watching the babysitter on the nannycam.

I dunno how that would work because I'm not an alien. As far as I know.

[rstevens62]

Originally Posted by NatesDude

And we know this how?

Its what I have come to suspect, looking at the 1000s of years these things have been seen, they are ALWAYS reported in our skies.


I have not come across a single UFO report that puts them out in space somewhere...given the number of people who regularly watch their telescopes, if these things were coming from some other planet, I think we would see that reflected in UFO reports.


Im not discounting the dimensional theory, but honestly, that would be equally as weird no matter where they are coming from.

[TheArchitect]

Originally Posted by NatesDude

You are confusing scientific progress with violating known and tested laws of physics . The two are not the same . Flying didn’t violate any laws of physics . We could watch heavy and large birds fly and envision the possibility . Accelerating a spaceship to FTL violates tested physics.

"Known and tested" by a species whos civilization is only 10,000 yrs old and who have only studied physics in a truly modern sense for 300 yrs, in universe that is nearly 14 billion years old.

[guidoLaMoto]

Originally Posted by Toxic Waltz

Without giving an opinion either way about whether we've been visited or not, I'd ask this. Why would we have to understand how a species more advanced than us travelled faster than light? It's up to them to understand it for them to do it, we only have to understand it if or when we expect to do it. The notion that if we can't explain it at our current state of development, then they can't do it at any stage of development doesn't make sense to me.

The Laws of Physics can't violated....Einstein showed us mathematically (and the numbers don't lie) that as you approach the speed of light, space contracts to nothing-ness and mass increases to infinity. At that point, there's not enough energy to make the mass go faster, even though it has run out of space.

But, I get your point. How many of us watch TV happily without knowing how it works?

[dcfas]

Originally Posted by steiconi

Perhaps the aliens aren't coming in person, but are transmitting somehow. Analogous to calling someone on the phone instead of going to their house, or watching the babysitter on the nannycam.

I dunno how that would work because I'm not an alien. As far as I know.

This may be meant to be comical but makes a lot of sense.

On another note, how would you apply the idea of entangled particles to this discussion? Distance does not seem to matter at all.

[NatesDude]

Originally Posted by TheArchitect

"Known and tested" by a species whos civilization is only 10,000 yrs old and who have only studied physics in a truly modern sense for 300 yrs, in universe that is nearly 14 billion years old.

So what? Will future aliens come up with math in which 2+2= 5 ? We understand the laws of physics well enough to power ships and submarines at sea, to use electron spin to send info , and to allow people to debate how much science knows by tapping on keyboards and having words appear instantly on other people’s computer or phone screens thousands of miles away . On what basis does anyone believe we have erred in testing the speed of light limitations ?


Keep in mind that we are talking logical probabilities here . Which is more likely , that our science is correct , or that it is wrong and aliens are flying dozens or hundreds of light years at faster than c in violation of our understanding of physics we prove by employing it daily , to experiment on us ?