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Old 03-12-2009, 11:22 AM
 
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The hauntings we hear about that people have seen over the years. Seems more than a coincidence.

Could ghosts be another type of lifeform we haven't been able to pindown?
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Old 03-12-2009, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Nashville, Tn
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I don't believe in ghosts and I've never seen any evidence whatsoever that they are real. Ghosts are one of those things that it's fun to believe in because it's kinda spooky and people like to imagine things like the photo they took that has glare spots from the sun or some other source of light is actually their dead Grandmother paying a visit.
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Old 03-12-2009, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Montrose, CA
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The hauntings we hear about that people have seen over the years. Seems more than a coincidence.

Could ghosts be another type of lifeform we haven't been able to pindown?
Then they wouldn't be ghosts, now would they? No, I don't believe in ghosts. If the things some people think they see/hear/experience are actually entities of some sort, then there's a perfectly logical scientific explanation for them that doesn't involve the spirits of dead people. Of course, we'd have to find the science to detect them first, and that hasn't ever been done.
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Old 03-12-2009, 12:07 PM
 
Location: egypt
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i don't believe in ghosts , but i believe in jinn , it mentioned in quran , we even believe that satan from jinn
i will quote the muslims point of view from some of sites


One of the powers of the Jinn, is that they are able to take on any physical form they like. Thus, they can appear as humans, animals trees and anything else.

Over the last few years the interest in the subject of aliens and UFO's has become heightened. Programmes such as the X-files and the Outer limits have increased the popularity of the theory that aliens exist. Thousands of people have sighted strange looking creatures all over the world. These sightings however, have still not proven substantially that aliens exist. Rather - and it seems more plausible all the sightings of such creatures were just Jinns parading in different forms. So the next time you see something that looks like E.T, its most probably just a wicked Jinn trying to scare and confuse you!

The ability to possess and take over the minds and bodies of other creatures is also a power which the Jinn have utilised greatly over the centuries. This however, is something which has been prohibited to them as it is a great oppression to possess another being. Human possession is something which has always brought about great attention. But the true knowledge of this subject is rare amongst the people. Over the last 3 decades the subject of possession has become very commercialised. During the 70's films such as The Exorcist and Rosemary's Baby were used to educate people about possession. However, because such institutions (the film industry) were heavily influenced by Christianity, knowledge of the subject was non-existent. Rather then educate people about Jinn possession, films such as The Exorcist just tended to scare the living daylights out of us

Only through Islam can we understand such a phenomena. We know as Muslims, that Jinns possess people for many reasons. Sometimes it is because the Jinn or its family has been hurt accidentally. It could be because the Jinn has fallen in love with the person. However, most of the time possession occurs because the Jinn is simply malicious and wicked. For this reason we have been told by the Prophet (saws) not to loiter in those places where the Jinns reside, e.g. graveyards, ruins, deserts, market places etc. We have also been commanded to recite the Qur'an frequently in our houses as the Prophet (saws) said: "Indeed, the shaytan flees from the house in which Surah Al-Baqarah (the 2nd chapter of the Qur'an) is recited"

It is not only humans which are possessed, but also animals, trees and other objects. By doing this, the evil Jinn hope to make people worship others besides Allah. The possession of idols is one way to do this. Not so long ago the world-wide phenomenon of Hindu idols drinking milk, shocked the world. From Bombay to London, Delhi to California, countless idols were lapping up milk. Ganesh the elephant god, Hanuman the monkey god and even Shiva lingam, the male private organ(!), all seemed to guzzle down the milk as if there was no tomorrow! Unfortunately people were taken in by this (including Muslims) and many flocked to feed (?) the Hindu gods.
Anyone who knows about Jinn possession, will undoubtedly know that this is a classic attempt to make people commit shirk. And it worked, as many people started to worship these lifeless pieces of wood and marble. Anyone with half a brain would say to themselves, 'why on earth does a god need to be fed?!! Surely if Ganesh, Hanuman or Shiva were divine then they wouldn't need feeding?' However, such common sense seemed to be lacking as the Jinns played havoc with these gullible people.


One of the biggest manipulations of the Jinn is through visions. Through these visions the Jinns are more likely to lead people away from the worship of Allah then any other way. When a person sees a vision in front of his eyes it is something which is very hard to explain away. Only by having knowledge of the world of the Jinn and conviction in Allah, can a person fight such a trial. The countless numbers of visions of Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary over the centuries has been a popular choice for the devils. It almost seems as if leading Christians astray is the most easiest trick for the Jinns! Not only are Christians fooled by these visions, but often the Jinns possess and begin to talk from their voices. To the Christians this is known as the tongues of the Angels and thus a proof for their faith. However, the amount of unintelligible nonsense and rubbish which is heard is a clear proof that this is in fact the tongues of the devils! For other people, visions of their parents or relatives are commonplace. By taking on the form of peoples parents, the Jinns can convince people that the souls of dead people still mix with the people of the earth. This is why so many people believe in ghosts.

The onslaught of satanic visions has also hit the Muslims. Many Muslims claim to have seen visions about thier religions ! By doing this, Shaytan is able to lead astray the weak Muslims. Through such visions, Muslims are often told that the commands of Islam are not applicable to them. The Jinns tell them that Prayer, Fasting, Hajj etc. are not obligatory for them. It is a great deception and unfortunately one which has been very effective. The extent of satanic visions still continues to this day. The recent death of Diana Princess of Wales sparked off great love and adoration for this woman. In fact the grief of the British people was such, that it was as if Diana was something divine. No sooner had the mourning of Diana reached its peak, that visions of her were already being seen at Hampton Court Palace! If these visions did occur, the desire of Iblis and his army of Jinn to capitalise on this event, was evident. Such visions are clear attempts by Iblis to lead mankind away from the path of Allah
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Old 03-12-2009, 12:18 PM
 
Location: NC, USA
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nope, not ghosts, not goblins, and I firmly believe that the things that go "bump" in the night are usually caused by something with a pulse, just because I can't see it doesn't mean it means me harm, and I generally try to find a logical cause for events. I have never seen or heard of anything that could reasonably be contributed to ghosts. Some people seem to have a need to be afraid of.... "something."
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Old 03-12-2009, 12:28 PM
 
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nope, not ghosts, not goblins, and I firmly believe that the things that go "bump" in the night are usually caused by something with a pulse, just because I can't see it doesn't mean it means me harm, and I generally try to find a logical cause for events. I have never seen or heard of anything that could reasonably be contributed to ghosts. Some people seem to have a need to be afraid of.... "something."
it's rational thinking from you to not trust such things as long as you never saw it

but there is a quote say " there's no smoke without a fire"
which means that may be people exceed the limits and exceeds the truth and free their imagination , but we must suppose at least the existance of the sources of all these stories

what do you think ? what about magic , do you believe in black magic for example ?
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Old 03-12-2009, 12:54 PM
 
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What about shows like Ghost Hunter and Ghost Trackers that use all that technology. I've seen episodes where they'll have audio evidence and things will move or make noises where there's nothing there?

Not saying its real, its just kinda fun to watch and does make ya wonder.
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Old 03-12-2009, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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I don't see why there couldn't be such things as ghosts. I've just never seen real, hard evidence for their existence. (Sorry, "psychics" don't prove anything at their "seances.")
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Old 03-12-2009, 01:00 PM
 
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The hauntings we hear about that people have seen over the years. Seems more than a coincidence.



Could ghosts be another type of lifeform we haven't been able to pindown?
I will actually agree with Dusty above--most of the time I believe there's a rational explanation.

But sometimes I believe there may be something--but it's not the souls of dead people.

Demons maybe...but not dead Aunt Sally.
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Old 03-12-2009, 01:45 PM
 
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I will admit that some of the things I've seen on those shows I've wanted to tell the people "Hey maybe its bat or a mouse". Some of those stories told over centuries by people that have never met and never had any previous knowledge of the tale are wierd tho.
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