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Old 06-19-2016, 01:19 PM
 
Location: South Wales, United Kingdom
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So many dreadful, violent things going on in the world lately.
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Old 06-21-2016, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Leafy London
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What has the death of this unfortunate woman got to do with Nigel Farage ?
Are you saying that the subject of immigration controls shouldn't be raised at all ?
No I am not. Nor have I ever. I have been banging on about immigration from Blair's early days.

There is a sensible, rational way to do it. Then there is Farage, with his vile poster showing thousands of Syrian refugees queuing to try and get into Slovenia. And ludicrous scaremongering about 80 million Turks shortly to be arriving here via the EU. And claiming that we'll shortly be having women raped by asylum seekers who've sneaked through the tunnel.

I do love the way they feel the need to illustrate what a queue of foreign people looks like, their potential supporters being incapable of imagining such an image. I guess they have their audience sussed, much like The Sun.

Decent people are as disgusted as I, though insufficient numbers to swing the vote on Thursday.
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Old 06-22-2016, 12:46 AM
 
Location: Cody, WY
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It may come as a surprise to some that at least three of the books that Mr. Mair purchased are available from Amazon UK. Two are originally US Army publications; the other is a textbook used for years at MIT, one of America's most renowned universities. No one at the linked website cared to tell that part of the story.

They apparently do not carry Ich Kampfe. The statement that Adolf Hitler wrote the book is nonsense. I've appended a link to the Wikipedia article describing it.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Special-For...s=incendiaries

https://www.amazon.co.uk/U-S-Army-Im...2VH6B1R4MQEBAP

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Chemistry-P...6576887&sr=1-1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_Kampfe
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Old 06-22-2016, 01:38 AM
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Location: Great Britain
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Isn't it the manual/book crossed out as not to identify it rather than the other books you mention???

The Anarchists Cookbook is another such book, which is available on line including via Amazon.

BBC NEWS | UK | Boy in court on terror charges

Why the author of The Anarchist Cookbook wants it taken off the shelves - The Guardian

Not that it really matters.

Jo Cox murder suspect Thomas Mair 'bought book on how to make handmade gun', claim American researchers


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Old 06-22-2016, 02:31 AM
 
Location: Cody, WY
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Isn't it the manual/book crossed out as not to identify it rather than the other books you mention???
I have no idea what book they crossed out or why. Read the reviews of the Army publications on amazon.com. Those are the real thing.

I posted the information to show that there are more than a few people who are interested in this material and that they need not search for obscure sellers.

Buy the books; they're not expensive. Then judge for yourself.
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Old 06-22-2016, 07:03 AM
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Location: Great Britain
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I have no idea what book they crossed out or why. Read the reviews of the Army publications on amazon.com. Those are the real thing.

I posted the information to show that there are more than a few people who are interested in this material and that they need not search for obscure sellers.

Buy the books; they're not expensive. Then judge for yourself.


Thomas Mair did manage to build a rudimentary gun from a manual, although thankfully he wasn't able to get his hands on more substantial weaponry like Omar Marteen in the US, or he could have targeted a remain in Europe meeting or a group of people rather than just the MP.

It's not illegal to sell these items over the internet however if you are found with them the Police can charge you with possession of information or documents likely to be of use in terrorism, namely the Anarchist's Cookbook, and also possessing articles for use in terrorism.

It's not the first time the far right has targeted people, indeed David Copeland made bombs and killed and maimed many gay people and ethnic minorities in London in the 1990's.

David Copeland: a quiet introvert, obsessed with Hitler and bombs - The Guardian

David Copeland - Wiki

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Old 06-22-2016, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Today would have been Jo's 42nd birthday..
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Old 06-22-2016, 10:22 AM
 
Location: South Wales, United Kingdom
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Today would have been Jo's 42nd birthday..
Yes, I heard about that too. So tragic..
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Old 06-22-2016, 10:41 AM
 
Location: England
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Yes, I heard about that too. So tragic..
It is awful. For the children, the loss of their mother, must be hard to accept as real. Accepting they will never see her again must be hard for them to grasp.

The killing, and why it happened is puzzling. So many family members, and neighbour's of the killer say he was a very quiet man, with no obvious political leanings.

What triggered this vicious murder? Apparently, from first eye witness reports, he didn't just shoot, and knife Jo, he then kicked her as well. That is real hate, and anger.
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Old 06-23-2016, 06:34 AM
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Portishead post haunting video of ABBA cover 'SOS' in tribute to Jo Cox | News | Culture | The Independent

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