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In many cases, museums are exhibits of the colonial enterprise. Looted artifacts are ripped from their rightful homes and taken to foreign nations that exotify, catalog and hoard. Recent news coverage of Biblical antiquities returned to Iraq from the Museum of the Bible provide proof of the continued threat of imperialism. What is to be done about the long history of goods stolen from other nations?
A few weeks ago, the Greek Ministry of Culture and Sports announced that the Antonio Salinas Archeological Museum in Italy will be returning a piece of the Parthenon Frieze known as the “Fagan fragment.” The piece is a 12-by-14 inch marble fragment of the foot of the Greek goddess, Artemis. It will be on a four-year loan to Greece, with the intention of it being extended in the future. To replace the piece, Greece offered a 5th-century B.C. headless statue of the goddess Athena and an eighth-century B.C. amphora for the Palermo Museum in Italy. Following the initial four years, it will be switched out for a protogeometric vase.
A similar deal was offered to the U.K. Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis stated the following: “Our position is very clear. The marbles were stolen in the 19th century; they belong in the Acropolis Museum and we need to discuss this issue in earnest.”
Even in 1816, many protested the marbles’ removal. Romantic poet Lord Byron described the act in “Childe Harold’s Pilgrimage” as “the last poor plunder from a bleeding land.” Regardless, crowds flocked in 1807 to see the arrival of the sculptures to Elgin’s house near Piccadilly.
Today, critics claim that the museum is not well-equipped to protect the famous pieces. In 1802, before leaving Athens, Elgin created casts of the marble. Emily Payne, a fellow at King's College in London, has now used the models to inspect their condition. Through her research, she noticed the deterioration of facial features and vandalism from the Victorian era.
“Elgin’s casts could be important records of the state of the sculptures in the very early 19th century before modern pollution would hasten their deterioration,” Payne wrote in an article to the Guardian.
This damage coupled with water leaks in the Greek gallery in 2018 and 2020 and roof damage in 2021 provided further proof for the Greek culture minister, Lina Medoni, of “Greece’s rightful demand for the sculptures’ permanent return to Athens.
Sure Greece the was occupied by the Ottomans when the Parthenon Mables was taken. Greece was yet to be a modern nation state. Yet it be like if a British Nobel man went to Russian occupied part of Ukraine and brought statues from the Russian occupiers that were highly valuable for Ukrainians and went back to the UK with them and never returning them.
Given that Greece and Turkeye are constantly warring against each other since the Ottoman Empire, the British Museum is a safer place to display them for now.
But one never knows, Boris Johnson might retun them to Greece if he wins the election again.
Given that Greece and Turkeye are constantly warring against each other since the Ottoman Empire, the British Museum is a safer place to display them for now.
But one never knows, Boris Johnson might retun them to Greece if he wins the election again.
Who knows, yet there might be a war between Russia and the UK too in the future. Besides one of Putin most loyal supporters Vladimir Solovyov has urged Russia to nuke London, in revenge for Britain on their support and supply of military to Ukraine.
I not been to the British museum, but I can recall places with large Greek immigrant communities like Melbourne Australia having signs there urging on the return of the Parthenon marbles.
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Given that Greece and Turkeye are constantly warring against each other since the Ottoman Empire, the British Museum is a safer place to display them for now.
But one never knows, Boris Johnson might retun them to Greece if he wins the election again.
Perhaps the Greeks can return the remains of the 371 young British soldiers, who were mostly National Servicemen (Conscripts), along with the 21 British policemen who died during the Cyprus Emergency (1955 to 1959), the majority having been killed by Greek Terrorist group the EOKA, in places such as Nicosia's murder mile.
There was even a civil war in Greece during WW2, when Communist forces fought Government forces, and the Greeks a far smaller and less able country have always had problems with their Turkish neighbours, indeed if it wasn't for the continued British presence they wouldn't even have a part of Cyprus, as the Turks would have taken the whole country, and British peacekeepers remain there to this day.
To put things in perspective regarding Greece and Turkey, Greece has a population of nearly 11 million, whilst Turkey has a population of over 85 million.
As for the Parthenon Mables, the British Museum has agreed to give some of them back, and the rest can regularly be loaned to Greek Museums.
The British Museum also issued a statement dispelling some of the myths regarding the Parthenon Sculptures, and it also shows their policy on the issue.
As for Cypriot Greek and Turkish communities, they can be found in Britain, and most notable in areas such as Green Lanes, Palmer Green, Wood Green etc.
Both communities are linked to serious organised crime and the powerful Turkish Mafia families are linked to the importation of heroin and other such drugs, that bring misery on to the streets of Britain and Europe.
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Who knows, yet there might be a war between Russia and the UK too in the future. Besides one of Putin most loyal supporters Vladimir Solovyov has urged Russia to nuke London, in revenge for Britain on their support and supply of military to Ukraine.
I not been to the British museum, but I can recall places with large Greek immigrant communities like Melbourne Australia having signs there urging on the return of the Parthenon marbles.
Geopolitics is a very cruel business.
I prefer museums of fine art (paintings)
A psychic advised me to avoid visiting museums with historical artifacts - one never knew if they were looted or involved bloodsheds. She explained that it would be like killers preserving the skeletons of their victims and put them on display ... looking for an innocent being.
Perhaps the Greeks can return the remains of the 371 young British soldiers, who were mostly National Servicemen (Conscripts), along with the 21 British policemen who died during the Cyprus Emergency (1955 to 1959), the majority having been killed by Greek Terrorist group the EOKA, in places such as Nicosia's murder mile.
There was even a civil war in Greece during WW2, when Communist forces fought Government forces, and the Greeks a far smaller and less able country have always had problems with their Turkish neighbours, indeed if it wasn't for the continued British presence they wouldn't even have a part of Cyprus, as the Turks would have taken the whole country, and British peacekeepers remain there to this day.
They are still vocal today!
~ youtube.com/watch?v=Js2fOirNtw0
Live: Communist Party Workers Union and students protest following Greece train collision
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They are still vocal today!
~ youtube.com/watch?v=Js2fOirNtw0
Live: Communist Party Workers Union and students protest following Greece train collision
I should imagine following the Euro crisis, there are lots of radical politics in Greece.
As for the Parthenon's they already have half of them, and the British Museum is committed to lending the other pieces and working with the Greeks.
Perhaps the Greeks can return the remains of the 371 young British soldiers, who were mostly National Servicemen (Conscripts), along with the 21 British policemen who died during the Cyprus Emergency (1955 to 1959), the majority having been killed by Greek Terrorist group the EOKA, in places such as Nicosia's murder mile.
There was even a civil war in Greece during WW2, when Communist forces fought Government forces, and the Greeks a far smaller and less able country have always had problems with their Turkish neighbours, indeed if it wasn't for the continued British presence they wouldn't even have a part of Cyprus, as the Turks would have taken the whole country, and British peacekeepers remain there to this day.
To put things in perspective regarding Greece and Turkey, Greece has a population of nearly 11 million, whilst Turkey has a population of over 85 million.
As for the Parthenon Mables, the British Museum has agreed to give some of them back, and the rest can regularly be loaned to Greek Museums.
The British Museum also issued a statement dispelling some of the myths regarding the Parthenon Sculptures, and it also shows their policy on the issue.
As for Cypriot Greek and Turkish communities, they can be found in Britain, and most notable in areas such as Green Lanes, Palmer Green, Wood Green etc.
Both communities are linked to serious organised crime and the powerful Turkish Mafia families are linked to the importation of heroin and other such drugs, that bring misery on to the streets of Britain and Europe.
Well Britian owns two military bases in Cyprus and it covers 3% of Cyprus land. With it the official language there is English. It was the condition to grant those bases in order for Cyprus independent. those bases have been used to secure British interests in the Suez and the Middle East.
The decision for the Parthenon Mables is still pending despite a shift in British opinion to favor the Greek side.
Yet both countries view each other favorably: According to a global opinion poll, 77% of Greeks view the United Kingdom favourably, while only 10% don't. The British have a very positive opinion of Greece as well. 66% of the British view Greece positively, while only 3% view it negatively,https://dbpedia.org/page/Greece%E2%8...gdom_relations
I prefer museums of fine art (paintings)
A psychic advised me to avoid visiting museums with historical artifacts - one never knew if they were looted or involved bloodsheds. She explained that it would be like killers preserving the skeletons of their victims and put them on display ... looking for an innocent being.
google Howard Carter if he were still alive, I am sure he would have sympathy for this line of thought.
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Well Britian owns two military bases in Cyprus and it covers 3% of Cyprus land. With it the official language there is English. It was the condition to grant those bases in order for Cyprus independent. those bases have been used to secure British interests in the Suez and the Middle East.
The decision for the Parthenon Mables is still pending despite a shift in British opinion to favor the Greek side.
Yet both countries view each other favorably: According to a global opinion poll, 77% of Greeks view the United Kingdom favourably, while only 10% don't. The British have a very positive opinion of Greece as well. 66% of the British view Greece positively, while only 3% view it negatively,https://dbpedia.org/page/Greece%E2%8...gdom_relations
The British Army are there as a UN peacekeeping force, and without such a force the island would most likely envelope in to a civil war between the Greek part and the Turkish part, with the Turkish most likely to win in any military confrontation.
As for the Greeks, there opinion of the British and vice versa is irrelevant, and in terms of the British view and the view of the British Museum it has not radically changed and there are no plans to amend the British Museum Act, which prevents the museum from returning any of its collection permanently except in very limited circumstances.
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