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Old 01-10-2009, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Some place very cold
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What a tragedy. Those poor parents. Now they have to carry that anger and guilt with them forever.
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Old 01-10-2009, 10:17 PM
 
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John -- how many people DIED in the US last year due to no insurance or lack of insurance? I'd take the NHS over the US "for-profit" system any day, trust me on that.

Human life is more valuable than greedy $$$$.
Zero. it's against the law for any hospital in the United States to turn away patients, for any reason whatsoever. For some reason, this is a very little known fact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergen...tive_Labor_Act
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Old 01-11-2009, 01:44 AM
 
Location: England
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I saw the Sixty Minutes show about Remote Area Medical, an outfit that provides medical care to third world countries.
This programme was about how RAM was treating people in knoxville Tennesee.
These people were not substance abusers they were the working poor who as they say on the show had no where else to go.
Google it for yourselves & then complain about the NHS.
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Old 01-11-2009, 06:53 AM
 
Location: The Shires
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Zero. it's against the law for any hospital in the United States to turn away patients, for any reason whatsoever. For some reason, this is a very little known fact.

http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act
This may be true for emergencies, but they can refuse anything non-emergency, which leads to many deaths. People here go to the ER as a last resort, waiting until what was a relatively minor problem becomes a major problem.

I saw an article a while ago, which concluded that over 20,000 people DIED in the US, due to lack of insurance. I'll see if I can find the article, but there are a ton of articles concerning deaths in individual states (just Google it).

The bottom line if you have a serious illness / condition such as cancer, diabetes or heart disease (for example), if you don't have a decent insurance policy or the $$$ to pay for something like chemotherapy (in the case of cancer), you'll die, unless you're extremely poor and possible eligible for Medicaid. There are literally tens of thousands of personal stories out there, highlighting the plight of the uninsured and the underinsured here.

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Old 01-11-2009, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Strathclyde & Málaga
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I am thankful that my country does not discriminate when it comes to health care, everyone despite nationality, race, gender, age should be entitled to a health service not how much money you have.

Not saying that the NHS is perfect but we're lucky, my fiance is American and receives the same standard of healthcare that i receive.

As a student nurse i don't mind working private or public either way, people get sick and deserve the proper care no matter what. It's a sad day when you have to have money up front before you get treated.

So what does that tell you.
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Old 01-11-2009, 07:09 AM
 
Location: The Shires
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I am thankful that my country does not discriminate when it comes to health care, everyone despite nationality, race, gender, age should be entitled to a health service not how much money you have.

Not saying that the NHS is perfect but we're lucky, my fiance is American and receives the same standard of healthcare that i receive.

As a student nurse i don't mind working private or public either way, people get sick and deserve the proper care no matter what. It's a sad day when you have to have money up front before you get treated.

So what does that tell you.
The system is broken, due to a combination of bad management, corporate bureaucracy and sheer greed, with a complete lack of government oversight, allowing insurance companies to get away with murder.

I don't have much faith that it'll be fixed anytime soon, even with the new Obama Administration. All they can really do is try to crack down on the abuses of power (and our hard earned cash) by insurance companies and perhaps try to extend the Medicaid scheme to cover a wider selection of the population who are struggling as it is.
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Old 01-11-2009, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Strathclyde & Málaga
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The system is broken, due to a combination of bad management, corporate bureaucracy and sheer greed, with a complete lack of government oversight, allowing insurance companies to get away with murder.

I don't have much faith that it'll be fixed anytime soon, even with the new Obama Administration. All they can really do is try to crack down on the abuses of power (and our hard earned cash) by insurance companies and perhaps try to extend the Medicaid scheme to cover a wider selection of the population who are struggling as it is.
Is medicaid any good?

Dont know much about the U.S system.
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Old 01-11-2009, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Portsmouth
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The system is broken, due to a combination of bad management, corporate bureaucracy and sheer greed, with a complete lack of government oversight, allowing insurance companies to get away with murder.

I don't have much faith that it'll be fixed anytime soon, even with the new Obama Administration. All they can really do is try to crack down on the abuses of power (and our hard earned cash) by insurance companies and perhaps try to extend the Medicaid scheme to cover a wider selection of the population who are struggling as it is.

Do you really belive Government oversight will do any good????? It does'nt this side of the pond!!!
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Old 01-11-2009, 12:39 PM
 
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This may be true for emergencies, but they can refuse anything non-emergency, which leads to many deaths. People here go to the ER as a last resort, waiting until what was a relatively minor problem becomes a major problem.

I saw an article a while ago, which concluded that over 20,000 people DIED in the US, due to lack of insurance. I'll see if I can find the article, but there are a ton of articles concerning deaths in individual states (just Google it).

The bottom line if you have a serious illness / condition such as cancer, diabetes or heart disease (for example), if you don't have a decent insurance policy or the $$$ to pay for something like chemotherapy (in the case of cancer), you'll die, unless you're extremely poor and possible eligible for Medicaid. There are literally tens of thousands of personal stories out there, highlighting the plight of the uninsured and the underinsured here.
I'm sorry, but I just don't believe it. I never had health insurance growing up (my dad just didn't believe it it). When I was 19 and on my own, I had to go to the hospital for what we thought was kidney stones. I had no cash or insurance. When I was discharged they sent me to the financial aid office and set up an interest free payment plan. I'm not special.
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Old 01-11-2009, 01:40 PM
 
Location: AZ
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I'm sorry, but I just don't believe it. I never had health insurance growing up (my dad just didn't believe it it). When I was 19 and on my own, I had to go to the hospital for what we thought was kidney stones. I had no cash or insurance. When I was discharged they sent me to the financial aid office and set up an interest free payment plan. I'm not special.

Medicine is very expensive, sometimes people cannot continue their prescribed treatment once they have left the healthcare facility.
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