Why do so much people hate on the Suburbs?? (Oregon, suburban, crime)
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yea i'm pretty sure about that. We got people talking about the morality or ethics of living in auto-dependent suburbs, but nobody talking about reducing crime or improving schools to convince us not to move to those immoral suburbs.
Funny that city people want bigger yards. Maybe in the end we all want the same things. I know there are people who don't care a fig about yards, but if you want a yard, you want a yard.
Remember, its not about having a yard, its about the size. Apparently its ok if its big enough for two people to stand on it, but if you want one big enough to have a bbq, or for your dog and/or kids, you are killing the environment with all that wasted space.
yea i'm pretty sure about that. We got people talking about the morality or ethics of living in auto-dependent suburbs, but nobody talking about reducing crime or improving schools to convince us not to move to those immoral suburbs.
Huh. Very interesting. I guess you don't read posts.
Huh. Very interesting. I guess you don't read posts.
I read the post and 1 person addressing it doesnt mean anything. 99% of the anti-suburban crowd just complain and rip the suburbs, but never discuss their warts.
Funny that city people want bigger yards. Maybe in the end we all want the same things. I know there are people who don't care a fig about yards, but if you want a yard, you want a yard.
That's just it; they are not city people. They are suburban people stuck in a city neighborhood. And, because Youngstown is behind the curve in its embracing of the urban environment, there are still a lot of suburban people in the city. So far, downtown is the only truly popular neighborhood for those who seek an urban environment. And even there, many buildings are still demolished to make more room for parking. Other neighborhoods are still relatively urban, only because that was their legacy, and many of their residents want their neighborhoods to be more suburban. Unfortunately, like with urban renewal, these people won't realize what they had until it's gone.
I have neighbors who want to see every other house in our neighborhood razed, so that the remaining houses can have bigger yards. I'm horrified by this idea, and is a small part of the reason I'm restoring a house in a different--historic--neighborhood in the city. That neighborhood isn't immune to the wrecking ball, either. But there, it's seen as a last resort, at least.
In Youngstown that would make sense to me. I'd rather have someone have neighbors maintaining the larger yards next to me than two abandoned houses on either side. YMMV.
In Youngstown that would make sense to me. I'd rather have someone have neighbors maintaining the larger yards next to me than two abandoned houses on either side. YMMV.
I'd say in places where detatched homes were the norm 100 years ago, a larger yard could be attractive. However, rowhouse blocks with demolition-created yards mixed have sort of a "gap-toothed" effect that I don't care for.
It's funny that on so many of our blocks of mostly abandoned rowhouses, there will be ONE, usually in the middle of the block, that's still occupied. The newspaper quotes from these folks is usually funny, usually something along the lines of "Thank GOD those MFers finally left, now some quiet!!"
I'd say in places where detatched homes were the norm 100 years ago, a larger yard could be attractive. However, rowhouse blocks with demolition-created yards mixed have sort of a "gap-toothed" effect that I don't care for.
It's funny that on so many of our blocks of mostly abandoned rowhouses, there will be ONE, usually in the middle of the block, that's still occupied. The newspaper quotes from these folks is usually funny, usually something along the lines of "Thank GOD those MFers finally left, now some quiet!!"
True. But Youngstown isn't row houses. It's mostly SFH on regular suburban-sized lots (5-6k and up). It would make less sense to tear down rowhouses for yards (for one, who is going to buy, maintain, and pay the taxes on it even if they aren't very much?). It would make more sense to tear down a section and use the land for a community garden or something.
True. But Youngstown isn't row houses. It's mostly SFH on regular suburban-sized lots (5-6k and up). It would make less sense to tear down rowhouses for yards (for one, who is going to buy, maintain, and pay the taxes on it even if they aren't very much?). It would make more sense to tear down a section and use the land for a community garden or something.
I was saying that in a place like Youngstown, I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to it.
There are lots of community gardens like you describe in Baltimore. Some are for growing food. They're very prevalent, almost ubiquitous. There's a process by which a community can "adopt" a vacant lot.
However, once you've been here for a while, you actually do get cynical when you hear the plans for some new teardown: "Community garden with a mural." That stuff is great, but it does get repetitive.
I was saying that in a place like Youngstown, I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to it.
There are lots of community gardens like you describe in Baltimore. Some are for growing food. They're very prevalent, almost ubiquitous. There's a process by which a community can "adopt" a vacant lot.
However, once you've been here for a while, you actually do get cynical when you hear the plans for some new teardown: "Community garden with a mural." That stuff is great, but it does get repetitive.
You made me laugh. Yes, that happens out here, too.
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