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Old 12-17-2011, 01:08 PM
 
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great video. love the traditional architecture.
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Old 12-17-2011, 01:47 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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An absolutely amazingly beautiful, gorgeous city. I never knew such a fine example of urbanism could exist in a new world city. With world-class public transit, filled with miles and miles of picturesque pedestrian-only and bicycle-friendly streets beyond my wildest dreams.


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It saddens me cities in America aren't like this. Even in NYC and 'Frisco, the streets resemble eight lane highways where pedestrians and cyclists are an afterthought to the endless car congestion and parking lots that dominate the cityscape. Things might be slowly beginning to change in recent years giving pedestrians and cyclists more room to breathe, thanks to the new urbanist movement, but cities like Melbourne are way ahead of the curve and we are way behind it advancing at a glacial pace.
A city is a city is a city. The only reason the town is so pedestrian friendly is so that more people can spend money. They make it easy to shop, eat at restaurants, etc. But, indeed, aside from boosting it's "trendy level", how does this benefit anyone? Oh, I suppose if you just MUST HAVE a sushi-pate pizza with alfredo sauce and a side of fried shiitake shoestrings, then you are in luck. But in the grand scheme of things, is this really important? Is it really?

Personally, I'd rather live in the bush somewhere and look at 'roos and hang out with beer drinkers who frankly don't care if there is "art" sprinkled amongst the endless ocean of humanity that is crammed arse-hole to elbow in the city. To each is own, I guess.

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Old 12-17-2011, 03:09 PM
 
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Well, if you think about it, if it's easy to spend money, it's easy to make money. And if you think country folks are so unconcerned about material things, I'd like to introduce you to my friend's truck.
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Old 12-17-2011, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
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Sure, it's encouraging people to shop and spend money, but it's also encouraging them to walk or bicycle, leave the car at home or not even have to own a car, and, for me at least, it beats the heck out of what constitutes a shopping and/or dining experience in most of America. That being to drive to a mall, hunt for a parking space, shop at bland, generic stores in a bland, generic environment that are exactly the same in every town, get back into the car, drive to a boring chain restaurant, looking out over a sea of cars in a vast parking lot. Obviously some people like that, but to me it's miserable, whereas walking around those little alleys with unusual little shops and cafes would actually be very pleasant. For me, it boils down to what I consider a pleasant city environment as opposed to a desolate suburban hell-hole. Though I understand for a lot of people that "hell-hole" is what they want. I just can't relate to that myself.
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Old 12-17-2011, 06:28 PM
 
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A city is a city is a city. The only reason the town is so pedestrian friendly is so that more people can spend money. They make it easy to shop, eat at restaurants, etc. But, indeed, aside from boosting it's "trendy level", how does this benefit anyone? Oh, I suppose if you just MUST HAVE a sushi-pate pizza with alfredo sauce and a side of fried shiitake shoestrings, then you are in luck. But in the grand scheme of things, is this really important? Is it really?

Personally, I'd rather live in the bush somewhere and look at 'roos and hang out with beer drinkers who frankly don't care if there is "art" sprinkled amongst the endless ocean of humanity that is crammed arse-hole to elbow in the city. To each is own, I guess.

20yrsinBranson

Having lots of things to do is one of the chief attractions of a city like Melbourne. Living out in the boonies or the outback as they say in Australia, all by yourself seems like a pretty dull even lonely existence. Personally, I don't see the appeal. Living in the vast, dry flatlands of the Australian desert, isolated from civilization, I would be bored out of my skull being far from the beaches and water. Doesn't help the landscape of the outback is so flat and desert-like. It's not very interesting to look at. Just endless stretches of flatness, dryness, dirt and sand.

Well I guess everybody has different tastes, which is fine. In a country like Australia you have the choice to live in either kind of place.
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Old 12-17-2011, 07:11 PM
 
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It looks very nice! The street running rail in the downtown reminded of very dense and busy version of Portland

Notice almost all the buildings had street level retail, little land was used for parking, and other than the public spaces no vacant land and space between the buildings.

I would love to see Melbourne used as a model for US cities that are interested in reviving their urban neighborhoods and streets but don't have much experience in building great urban spaces. At least seeing a city like Melbourne up close can serve as inspiration for other urban planners throughout the new world in US and Canada. And to know that terrific urbanism can and does exist outside of 'old world' Europe they might be inspired to improve cities in America and Canada, which frankly are in dire need of improving.
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Old 12-20-2011, 06:57 AM
 
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I read in Wikipedia that this city still largey depends on cars. Is this video more recent or just an isolated section of the city?
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Old 12-20-2011, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
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I read in Wikipedia that this city still largey depends on cars. Is this video more recent or just an isolated section of the city?
I'm pretty sure almost every 1st world city in the world mostly depends on cars.
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Old 12-20-2011, 10:46 AM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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It's very neat, but I have to admit that I wouldn't like to walk around in those crowds of people.
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Old 12-20-2011, 11:27 AM
 
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I'm pretty sure almost every 1st world city in the world mostly depends on cars.
Private automibile ownership in NYC and in most of Europe's major cities is less then 50%. Commuters much less (Around 20% for NYC). Those areas are not dependent on automobiles.
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