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Fact is, without a vehicle, people don't move too quickly.
Really? Because I'm pretty sure that it's taken me around 11 hours to drive to Charleston but just over an hour to fly there. If by the american definition of high speed rail it should only take me 6 hours to take the train there. It also takes me an hour longer to drive to Manhattan (assuming no traffic) as it does to take the train there.
Cars certainly have their place but not they're not the best mode of choice for every scenario.
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No, this is a sermon of The Church Against The Auto.
Until recently you didn't hear too much street corner preaching from the Church of Car the King. Now you do because they feel threatened.
It was someone else, and then a number of people followed. "He/She said it first" really doesn't matter .
If people want to have a civil debate, refraining from saying "church of urban planning/auto etc.." or others views as religion is unhelpful. Of course, if some of you don't want to have a civil debate, I guess you could carry on.
I lived in the Brooklyn and Manhattan for 15 years, and there are many great things about it. I did plenty of walking. But I also did plenty of subway rides (which are really not that great, the overground train is much more civilized (noise, dirt etc) and comfortable) and plenty of cab rides. Plus the supermarkets were crappy. And the idea that everything you want is within a 15 minute walk? - only applies if you've got a small life or you just mean everything for subsistence.
If you had to buy groceries for a family for a week, but didn't have a car, how would you carry all of your groceries home without a vehicle for transport? Without a car, one would have to shop every day. If you had to shop every day, then that reduces the amount of time that you could be doing other things.
If you had to buy groceries for a family for a week, but didn't have a car, how would you carry all of your groceries home without a vehicle for transport? Without a car, one would have to shop every day. If you had to shop every day, then that reduces the amount of time that you could be doing other things.
Here's what the posters on the NYC forum said they did:
Actually most New Yorkers DON'T need cars. The vast majority of New Yorkers live within 5 miles of work, and have at their fingertips the most complete transit system in the USA. Not to mention most neighborhoods in this city are highly walkable, offering everything you need nearby.
yes I agree with the walking but the transit system seems to get more and more packed. If any noob potential transplant bothers to ask me, I'll tell them straight up- it's something they need to know about
yes I agree with the walking but the transit system seems to get more and more packed. If any noob potential transplant bothers to ask me, I'll tell them straight up- it's something they need to know about
You'd be surprised, the places those transplants come from, often don't have the choice to live the kinda lifestyle new york city offers. The only place in the Midwest close to that scale is Chicago, I will say the northeast is different with d.c., Philly, Boston, NYC in the region.
Well, the good news is that we all have choices. You can choose to not have a car, I can choose to own and enjoy a car.
Simple, isn't it?
Oversimplified? Definitely. Most metro areas do not have such good transportation that you can choose not to have a car. Many have only buses that don't go anywhere you want to go. Many do everything possible ( bad scheduling, rundown buses, surly drivers, etc.) to ensure that only the poor or dedicated to public transit will ride it.
And in which of those scenarios did you not use a vehicle? Unless you flew by the comedian express ("...boy are my arms tired"), you used a vehicle.
Ah, unexpected but clever semantic twist.
Your point was that cars are the most efficient way to move people.
My point? Sometimes they are. For most trips other modes are better. Yo
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