09-12-2009, 04:04 PM
Location: Tulsa, OK
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I loved living in The Ranches. I would not have wanted to live in the Eagle Mountain City Center area (over the mountain from the Ranches).
09-12-2009, 10:03 PM
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Trail Lawyer
The roof and siding are only two components (albeit major ones) that a home will eventually need to have replaced. You would be amazed of how often things on a 30 year time schedule come due when you multiply by the number of things. The bigger the home the bigger the things and more of them there are.
From what I see many new homes are built with "OSB" siding (oriented strand board) which comprises of shredded wood chips glued together to form sheet goods. The joists can be "Engineered" lumber as well, roof rafter systems "Truss" style held together with metal press plates. Siding insulated foam board covered with stucco.
The stucco can make these homes look much more substantial than they actually are, following the old adage that Appearance Is Everything. They do catch a break in Utah with a higher and dryer climate, however. Still, a brick bungalow in Sugarhouse or and East Bench home built back in the 70's with more components being solid lumber, although both being substantially older homes, when you factor in location, taxes, etc. may win the race in the long run.
09-13-2009, 10:25 AM
Location: God's Gift to Mankind for flying anything
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ShouldIMoveOrStayPut...?
substantially older homes, when you factor in location, taxes, etc. may win the race in the long run.
uhuh .. you can say that again !
We bought a home that was over 50 years old in Taylorsville (the *uppity area*...), and it was so dang old, it even had that ugly pink kitchen stuff !!!
But ....
The walls, inside, are 6 inches thick, and do NOT have gypsum board !!!
The walls, outside, are 10 inches thick, are solid stucco on the inside and full brick on the outside.
The houses *next door*, are 30 feet away at least (!!!!),
not so dang close that you can see what your neighbours are cooking in their kitchen ...
We upgraded the insulation in the attic and found absolutely NO metal plates holding the rafters together anywhere .... I assume .. true stick building ??
When we bought this place over 10 years ago, it had the original roof !!!
09-13-2009, 10:28 AM
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irman
uhuh .. you can say that again !
I gues you mean shoddy construction? I had earthquake or hurricane plates added to my attic (1921 house) as a safety factor. Don't want someone to take a quick look, see metal in their attic, and theink it's poorly built.
09-14-2009, 02:48 PM
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I gues you mean shoddy construction? I had earthquake or hurricane plates added to my attic (1921 house) as a safety factor. Don't want someone to take a quick look, see metal in their attic, and theink it's poorly built.
Just to clarify the thin metal press plates that hold Truss systems together is not the same thing as Earthquake/Hurricane bracing. If you can easily walk around your attic you probably do not have a truss style framing system as it entails more cross members in a "W" pattern taking alot more room and making attic navigation/storage difficult.
I do not know how Irman's attic is framed, but it sounds like the home is built for battle regardless of no earthquake bracing....
09-14-2009, 03:34 PM
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ShouldIMoveOrStayPut...?
Just to clarify the thin metal press plates that hold Truss systems together is not the same thing as Earthquake/Hurricane bracing. If you can easily walk around your attic you probably do not have a truss style framing system as it entails more cross members in a "W" pattern taking alot more room and making attic navigation/storage difficult.
I do not know how Irman's attic is framed, but it sounds like the home is built for battle regardless of no earthquake bracing....
I should have called them hurricane clips. They are added to many attics in the Gulf coast region to help keep your framing together in a hurricane. You may loose the shingles but the framing is still there.
09-14-2009, 07:37 PM
Location: God's Gift to Mankind for flying anything
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ShouldIMoveOrStayPut...?
making attic navigation/storage difficult. I do not know how Irman's attic is framed, but it sounds like the home is built for battle regardless of no earthquake bracing....
I have been into my attic, a couple of times, and it is murder to get around in that space. Lots and lots of beams and whatevers .....
The interesting part was when, 2 years ago, we decided to re-roof, the inspector only found one board that needed replacement on the roof.
He commented on it that the house was in excellent shape, which made us very happy, to say the least !!!
09-28-2009, 10:08 AM
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We live just down the road from where you want to go. We are in Saratoga Springs and we moved here from the Phoenix Az area. We like where we are and the people have been very nice to us. We are just hoping we can handle the winter weathers. Our elev. here is approx 4500 so that is good.
09-30-2009, 07:15 AM
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Trail Lawyer
And, the mountains are great areas to get away into in a very short time, to either hike, run, mountain bike, ATV, camp, etc.
Just to clarify for those who have never been into the area: there are no 'mountains' surrounding Eagle Mountain. There are desert hills in the immediate area and it is built in basically what was a desert wasteland to the west of the populated Utah Valley. To get to the true mountains you have to drive into Utah Valley (or Salt Lake Valley) and to the east side (Provo Canyon, AF Canyon, Little Cottonwood, etc).
I used to hike around in the hills of the Eagle Mountain area before it was developed (Lake Mountain, Tintic Range, hills around Fairfield, Mercer mining district, Tickville/Camp Williams). I assure you, none of the 'mountains' in the area would pass for what most folks think of when the want to go to the mountains for some R&R. There is lots of sagebrush, oak brush, juniper, very few real 'trees' (only in the highest reaches), and plenty of rattlesnakes and old mine remains/tailings.
So... if you are considering moving to the immediate area, not that there is anything wrong with it, but just understand that it is NOT an alpine setting. Eagle 'Mountain' is surrounded by desert hills. It's very dry and 'greened up' only through lots of watering and irrigation.
09-30-2009, 10:52 AM
Location: God's Gift to Mankind for flying anything
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ChrisC
there are no 'mountains' surrounding Eagle Mountain.
If one takes the European parameter of what it takes to become a *mountain*, then the highest point in the south east area of Eagle mountain, misses the privilege of being called a mountain by about 200 feet. On the west of Eagle Mountain, there are peaks that qualify at about 9300 ft, which is about 4450 ft above Eagle Mountain. Eagle Mountain *sits* at about 4850 ft ASL.
Normally in Europe, a mountain must be 600 meters (1969 ft) above the surrounding area, but in the other case, like in *abrupt*, it only needs to be 300 meters (984 ft) above the surrounding area.
I am not sure when a hill becomes a mountain in the USA.
I think it is 1000 feet, but I do not have any official references.
Interestingly,
many people do know how to make a molehill into a mountain .....
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People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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