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Old 01-09-2013, 12:26 AM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Not sure what you're referring to, but I just realized which thread I was posting in... It takes 20~30 pounds of grain/corn based feed to produce one pound of beef, this process isn't sustainable and directly consuming the grain/corn makes far more sense. The higher efficiency of veg*n diets is one of the primary environmental arguments for veg*n diets. The idea that eating corn and grains is going to make you fat is well...not historically accurate.
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:52 AM
 
Location: Prospect, KY
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Anythng will make you fat if you eat enough of it. Corn has got lots of strikes against it - one of the biggest for me is that most of it is genetically modified.

Read up on the genetically engineered aspect of corn....corn is a multi billion dollar industry in this country. Several European peer reviewed studies that showed that GMC is dangerous have been bad mouthed in the American press by "scientists not related to the studies." Well of course - Monsanto is protecting ithe multi-billion dollar corn industry - how many "scientists" do you think are on Monsanto's payroll?

A French scientific study showed that rats fed genetically engineered corn developed tumors and died pematurely. Six European countries have now taken a stand against genetically modified corn....corn is in so many things. The average American diet is full of corn in one form or another - much more than they realize. No I don't believe genetically modified corn is good for us.

If I am going to eat starches, I'll have a small baked sweet plain sweet potato - much healthier and more satisfying.

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Old 01-09-2013, 06:44 AM
 
Location: The Hall of Justice
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Not sure what you're referring to, but I just realized which thread I was posting in... It takes 20~30 pounds of grain/corn based feed to produce one pound of beef, this process isn't sustainable and directly consuming the grain/corn makes far more sense. The higher efficiency of veg*n diets is one of the primary environmental arguments for veg*n diets. The idea that eating corn and grains is going to make you fat is well...not historically accurate.
I did not say, or mean to imply, that simply eating corn will make you fat. A poster suggested that a vegetarian diet is more efficient than an omnivorous one, because people could just eat all the corn grown for livestock instead--essentially replacing meat with corn. That is what I am objecting to, not enjoying an ear of corn a few times a week. Perhaps living on corn works for some people, but I come from a family of Nebraskan farmers. There's a reason why "corn-fed" implies a husky appearance.
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Old 01-09-2013, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Prospect, KY
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i did not say, or mean to imply, that simply eating corn will make you fat. A poster suggested that a vegetarian diet is more efficient than an omnivorous one, because people could just eat all the corn grown for livestock instead--essentially replacing meat with corn. That is what i am objecting to, not enjoying an ear of corn a few times a week. Perhaps living on corn works for some people, but i come from a family of nebraskan farmers. There's a reason why "corn-fed" implies a husky appearance.
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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but I come from a family of Nebraskan farmers. There's a reason why "corn-fed" implies a husky appearance.
Americans don't eat plain corn, they eat it covered in butter, mixed with cream, they make corn bread, etc....all of these are high fat foods. Its not the corn that is making them husky, instead the consumption of high fat foods. If you look at societies that eat plain corn, like the Mayan, they aren't husky at all.

If Americans replaced their beef consumption with corn consumption calorie for calorie they would be healthier and it would be for better for the environment. But people don't necessarily need to eat corn, the land can be used to grow a number of other crops as well. The point is that directly eating plant foods is far more efficient than eating plant foods indirectly via meat.
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Anythng will make you fat if you eat enough of it. Corn has got lots of strikes against it - one of the biggest for me is that most of it is genetically modified.
The issues surrounding GMO crops is an entirely different topic, there is non-GMO corn and we can grow that. Indeed, one of the reasons GMO corn has been developed is to fuel the high corn needs of the meat industry. If we were just growing corn for human consumption we could grow much less and we could focus on higher quality crops.

Regardless, the environmental argument for veg*n diets is rooted in the fact that its more efficient to directly consumption plant crops rather than consume them indirectly via meat where it takes up to 25 pounds to produce one pound of meat. Not to mention it takes more energy, water, etc.
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Hollywood Hills
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I went vegetarian first (now vegan) because the way the animals are treated in factory farms. Its plain awful and i didnt want to be part of that.
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Old 01-12-2013, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Taos NM
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Yes, corn is a starchy vegetable and humans (unlike cows) are well adapted to eat starchy vegetables. The glycemic index is primarily a concern for overweight people that are becoming diabetic, healthy individuals can eat high glycemic foods without any problem. Corn was the primary stable food in many (native) American cultures and these people never were overweight, developed diabetes, etc as a result.

But sure, leafy greens are certainly more nutrient dense than things like corn and are great to eat. But that doesn't mean corn is bad for you, its not.
I am a big lover of starches - Noodles, potatoes, Bread.... I have heard that very high intakes of carbs can lead to diabetes, but are they refering to simple carbs like sugar or all carbs.
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Old 01-16-2013, 02:40 PM
 
Location: In a house
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I do eat small portions of meat, mostly chicken or fish--my problems is I love animals and eating them is against everything in my thinking. I was raised with meat and potatoes, very German type eating and from a family of farmers but I'm not sure if it's more my mind or body that is starting to reject meat but it certainly is and I am all for it. My grandmother was a person who believed in listening to what her body told her she needed--she lived to be 96 years old so I have to believe she knew more then I do but am trying to learn from her! Her advise was your body will tell you what you need if you just listen! My body is begging for veggies! Smile!
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Old 01-17-2013, 04:01 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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I eat fish and some dairy products now, but was vegan for 15 years and vegetarian a bit after that. It's very difficult to be vegan when traveling, especially abroad. It's also a concession I made when getting married, and even bigger concession that my child eats meat. I keep telling myself I'll go back to a vegan diet at some point again in my life, but that remains to be seen.
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