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Old 01-06-2014, 11:56 AM
 
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You're touting a 75% saturated animal fat diet on a vegetarian forum? What's with that??!!
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Old 01-06-2014, 12:11 PM
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You're touting a 75% saturated animal fat diet on a vegetarian forum? What's with that??!!
Right, user had a discussion with me...now back to eggs, eggs are 94 on the biological value chart and beans are 65, which has better protein is rather obvious, just like most animal vs plant sources.
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Old 01-07-2014, 12:11 AM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Plenty of people do this, it's called a Ketogenic diet. Before western civilization came to the Americas the Natives ate diet very high in saturated animal fats (Inuits dipping whale blubber in seal oil) and there are numerous counts of these things documented and what their health was like back then...generally all athletic, then came western foods.
The ketogenic diet is a diet that is simply high in fat, its nearly impossible to consume a diet that is 70~75% animal basedsaturated fat......even "foods" like butter that are high in saturated fat....are only around 50% saturated fat.

The vast majority of Native American cultures had diets that were relatively low in saturated fat, land based animals are typically low in fat. The Inuit, despite having a high fat diet, didn't consume heavy amounts of saturated fat since marine life, in general, is high in polyunsaturated fat and monounsaturated fat....not saturated fat. But the Inuit, by no means, had "athletic" builds....they were chunky and the reason its believed they didn't suffer from higher rates of cardiovascular disease is their high consumption of omega-3 fats.


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Beans can't hold anything up to an egg as far as the protein quality you get from it. The biological value of an egg is from 94-100. The biological value of beans is around 65.
Eating individuals foods with high quality protein isn't important, people eat 3+ times a day and eat meals that consist of a number of different foods, all that matters is that the overall quality of protein consumed throughout the day meets human needs and that is very easy to do without consuming eggs or any animal source of protein. With that said, a number of beans have complete proteins that are higher in quality than some meat and as such could supply people with all the protein they need.

Beans, or legumes in general, have been consistently linked to lower rates of diabetes, cardiovascular disease, etc. So, as for as protein goes, they are a much better source than eggs.

I think it would be helpful to know why the OP wants to eliminate beans, they are such a healthful source of protein and nutrients that it would be a pity for a vegetarian to skip them.
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Old 01-07-2014, 09:54 AM
 
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Soy is the only complete protein not derived from an animal source, so eliminating all beans on a vegan diet would put you in trouble.
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Old 01-07-2014, 04:16 PM
 
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Soy is the only complete protein not derived from an animal source, so eliminating all beans on a vegan diet would put you in trouble.
Quinoa also is a complete protein.

However, we've come a long way since Lappe's time and now know that getting one's incomplete proteins during the day can combine to make total proteins:

legumes & nuts: walnuts & peanuts; hummus & tahini
legumes & grains: peanut butter on whole wheat bread; lentils & rice; beans on tortillas
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Old 01-07-2014, 09:48 PM
 
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Soy is the only complete protein not derived from an animal source, so eliminating all beans on a vegan diet would put you in trouble.
There are a number of complete plant-based protein, but one doesn't need to consume them and soy is by no means essential for vegans. But legumes, as a whole, are important for vegans but its not because they tend to have complete or near-complete proteins, instead they are high in lysine (an essential amino acid many other plant foods are low in) and important minerals/vitamins.
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Old 01-08-2014, 01:29 PM
 
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Any whole grains combined with nuts or seeds gives you the protein you need. Oatmeal with walnuts, almond-butter sandwiches on 12-grain bread, anything along those lines would be helpful for your goal.
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Old 01-08-2014, 07:20 PM
 
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We freshly grind flaxseed meal onto our oatmeal & also often add walnuts. Yum!
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Old 01-08-2014, 07:35 PM
 
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You can buy the tofu squares in the supermarkets. Tofu comes in different styles ranging from soft to almost meat like consistency. Actually, in some restaurants they use tofu as an ingredient to substitute for the texture of meat. Beans are really nutritious but since you have to go off it for a while, tofu will work well. I was listening to a radio show recently, which featured a guest named I think Dr. McDougall (?). He said that beans and rice was the healthiest thing to eat, but I was surprised since everyone these days keep saying that rice is one of the worst things you could eat (high glycemic value and almost no nutritional value, just starch - but I have to say I love rice). I might read one of his books and if it's true about the rice and beans, I have many recipes to try, especially Cuban Rice and Beans, lots of these recipes.
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Old 01-10-2014, 04:10 PM
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Legumes contain Lectins, saponins, phytates, isoflavones, protease inhibitors and other harmful qualities.
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