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Old 10-16-2016, 12:50 PM
 
Location: God's Country
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Another study funded by the meat industry?


Potatoes and cereals increase risk of heart disease while dairy cuts the risk | Health | Life & Style | Daily Express
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Old 10-16-2016, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Sugarmill Woods , FL
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Carbs become sugar, overweight and diabetes are directly related to high carb diets.
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Old 10-16-2016, 07:45 PM
 
Location: God's Country
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Carbs become sugar, overweight and diabetes are directly related to high carb diets.
1960s mentality is still alive and well.


The type of carbohydrate, i.e., simple vs. complex is the issue.


Why Carbohydrates Are So Important in Diabetes - Type 2 Diabetes - Health.com


Meanwhile, the medical community -- notwithstanding the study in the OP -- continues to condemn the high fat red meat Western diet.
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Old 10-16-2016, 07:46 PM
 
Location: God's Country
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Carbs become sugar, overweight and diabetes are directly related to high carb diets.
1960s mentality is still alive and well.


The type of carbohydrate, i.e., simple vs. complex is the issue.


Why Carbohydrates Are So Important in Diabetes - Type 2 Diabetes - Health.com


Meanwhile, the medical community -- notwithstanding the study in the OP -- continues to condemn the high fat red meat Western diet.
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Old 10-16-2016, 07:50 PM
 
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I eat them all the time & I'm healthy.
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Old 10-16-2016, 07:50 PM
 
Location: New Yawk
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Without even having read the study yet, I see one glaring issue: this appears to be an ecological study, which makes it rather unorthodox and ballsy for the lead author to draw direct conclusions and "call for current dietary advice to be overturned". Not just because it conflicts with decades of research, but because this type of study is useful for generating a hypothesis, in order to do further studies to reach a conclusion. Again, I'll try and find the study, but did they adjust for lifestyle, body mass, whole grains vs. refined grains? Are all carbs, from apples to apple strudel lumped together as "carbs"?

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Old 10-16-2016, 08:04 PM
 
Location: God's Country
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I eat them all the time & I'm healthy.

Yeah, in the 1970s I was pumping iron and eating all the animal protein, plus supplements, I could buy, beg, borrow, and steal. Strong as a bull but cholesterol and blood pressure were through the roof.


Read the Pritikin books and went vegetarian -- not vegan, mind you -- but a vey strict vegetarian.


Old fart now, 72, not strong as a bull anymore, but still able to go up-and-down my hill 30-90 min. per session every day except in rain, and cholesterol has been under 150 for years with LDL (the bad stuff) well under 100 and BP 100-120/60-70.


One anecdote does not make a case, but just sayin'.
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Old 10-16-2016, 08:20 PM
 
Location: New Yawk
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Okay, I found it. Here we go:

[URL]https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308702257_Food_consumption_and_the_actual_statisti cs_of_cardiovascular_diseases_an_epidemiological_c omparison_of_42_European_countries[/URL]

"Understandably, the risk of CVDs also dependson other factors (genetics, stress, physical activity), but
they were not targeted in the present study because their
role is much more difficult to assess."

"Understandably, our list of variables potentially con-
tributing to the development of CVDs cannot be regar-
ded as exhaustive. For example, the information onphysical activity was self-reported and incomplete, and
the FAOSTAT database lists no data on salt intake."

"Our study cannot differentiate between refined and
unrefined cereals, but both are highly concentrated
sources of carbohydrates"

So, essentially, potatoes and cereals are the culprit when other known risk factors are not taken into account; even smoking was only marginally factored in.
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Old 10-20-2016, 10:47 AM
 
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Carbs become sugar, overweight and diabetes are directly related to high carb diets.


But only after the eater has already started building insulin resistance from years and years of primarily high-fat foods. A high-carb diet becomes dangerous only after you become insulin-resistant and can no longer process the glucose -- or after your Islets of Langerhans short out and you stop making any insulin at all.


In other words, it's not the bun that kills you -- it's the hot dog inside it.
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