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Old 07-04-2020, 11:28 AM
 
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I am ignoring mask mandate as it's not enforceable and no one is trying to enforce it.
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Old 07-05-2020, 11:34 AM
 
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No one is getting this virus from grocery shopping. Come on.
Any indoor space where the virus can linger.

Like the 4 parties in my neighborhood this weekend. 30+ attendees. No masks. No distancing.

I'm glad to see we'll be done with this thing sooner rather than later. I'd thank them for taking themselves out of the pool of immunologically naive population, but they'd probably think I was making a criticism.
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Old 07-05-2020, 12:26 PM
 
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I am ignoring mask mandate as it's not enforceable and no one is trying to enforce it.
And you're putting other's lives at risk in the process. Does that matter to you at all or do you have no care whatsoever for other people in your community?
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Old 07-05-2020, 12:35 PM
 
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And you're putting other's lives at risk in the process. Does that matter to you at all or do you have no care whatsoever for other people in your community?
No it do not matter to me. To be clear, i do not care about other people in the community.
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Old 07-05-2020, 12:39 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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Any indoor space where the virus can linger.
You'd probably have to be shopping in that grocery store for hours, with many other people there, to contract the virus.
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Old 07-06-2020, 10:54 AM
 
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You'd probably have to be shopping in that grocery store for hours, with many other people there, to contract the virus.
Are you trying to argue that you are more likely to contract COVID-19 from the beach than from the grocery store? Because that is the context here.
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Old 07-06-2020, 12:36 PM
 
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Are you trying to argue that you are more likely to contract COVID-19 from the beach than from the grocery store? Because that is the context here.
Grocery stores tend to enforce wearing of masks and social distancing. Its not the beach itself that is dangerous. Its the fact that so many folks don't wear masks and congregate in large groups. So yes, that does make it more dangerous.
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Old 07-06-2020, 04:22 PM
 
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Grocery stores tend to enforce wearing of masks and social distancing. Its not the beach itself that is dangerous. Its the fact that so many folks don't wear masks and congregate in large groups. So yes, that does make it more dangerous.
Well, I'll give you that a lifeguard who rescues a COVID carrier, that coughs in their face, may be more at risk than a check-out clerk who wears a mask, sits behind plexiglas, and only deals with masked patrons.

Party for hours on the windy beach or a masked visit to the recirculated-air grocery store? Maybe. I'm not convinced.

What I am convinced of is that those who would party on the beach will just go party at home, indoors if it's hot (which it has been inland), so closing the beaches to everyone is counterproductive if you want to slow the spread of the virus.
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Old 07-07-2020, 08:12 AM
 
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Are you trying to argue that you are more likely to contract COVID-19 from the beach than from the grocery store? Because that is the context here.
No. (You seem to be fixated on the injustice of beach closures, though.) No one shops, unmasked, at a grocery store for hours. The risk of grocery store contagion would be for the employees who work there all day, not the customers who are inside the store for a relatively short amount of time.

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Grocery stores tend to enforce wearing of masks and social distancing. Its not the beach itself that is dangerous. Its the fact that so many folks don't wear masks and congregate in large groups.
Exactly.
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Old 07-07-2020, 09:55 AM
 
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No. (You seem to be fixated on the injustice of beach closures, though.) No one shops, unmasked, at a grocery store for hours. The risk of grocery store contagion would be for the employees who work there all day, not the customers who are inside the store for a relatively short amount of time.
Exactly.
Replace "injustice" with "idiocy"

Replace "beach closures" with "many of the knee-jerk reactions to COVID-19"

And you're there.

The beach closures didn't affect me. I live at the beach and I certainly wasn't planning on joining the cluster on the 4th. I prefer having it all to myself on weekday mornings. What they did affect was everyone who went to an indoor party rather than the beach. My problem is the total lack of evidence-based governance at all levels.

It's been 4 months now. We supposedly have tens of thousands of tracker/tracers. We should have an ENORMOUS database of how, where, and when people are getting infected. We should have hundreds of thousands of data points indicating where an infected person was and how many infections stemmed from that visit to the grocery, beach, school, house party, hospital, etc.

That data should be published and used as justification for shutting down a hair salon while leaving a tattoo parlor open. The governor should be able to cite 500 cases of beach transmission as why the beaches were shut down, and only 1 case in 1000 exposures in an outdoor dining area, showing why they can stay open.

But we don't have any of that. I'm dumbfounded that almost EVERY single so-called "science-based" decision being made is coming from European or Chinese studies of the virus, usually by the Europeans and Chinese. Hell, even Australia is doing a better job making evidence-based decisions than us. We just seem to be in this social-media-driven guess-and-don't-check mode, and it's pitiful.
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