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Old 07-09-2020, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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I work in a hospital and see things first hand. I agree that percentage wise the numbers may not justify wearing a mask. Please tell that to our patients. I know of seven employees that found out how important social distancing and wearing masks is. Two of those people went to a party because the city was opened. They then went to a barbq with a couple other of the seven employees. Those two went to work and ended up getting three others sick. We had 7 people out because of that party that the first two guys went to. We had another 11 that were out because they associated with someone in that group of seven. They had to quarantine for two weeks because it can take that long for the Corona virus to manifest.

I also believe in freedom. Do what you want. Wear a mask, Don't wear a mask. Not my decision to make. I know what I will be doing.
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Old 07-09-2020, 11:57 AM
 
Location: California
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I work in a hospital and see things first hand. I agree that percentage wise the numbers may not justify wearing a mask. Please tell that to our patients. I know of seven employees that found out how important social distancing and wearing masks is. Two of those people went to a party because the city was opened. They then went to a barbq with a couple other of the seven employees. Those two went to work and ended up getting three others sick. We had 7 people out because of that party that the first two guys went to. We had another 11 that were out because they associated with someone in that group of seven. They had to quarantine for two weeks because it can take that long for the Corona virus to manifest.

I also believe in freedom. Do what you want. Wear a mask, Don't wear a mask. Not my decision to make. I know what I will be doing.
Did the sick ones end up in ICU; did the they die? If not, it just shows that the virus is contagious, like a zillion other flus etc.
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Old 07-10-2020, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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Did the sick ones end up in ICU; did the they die? If not, it just shows that the virus is contagious, like a zillion other flus etc.
I am not here to knock anyone else's choice to wear or not wear. I do know that people get sick from the Corona Virus. By the way, it is not the Influenza Virus, which is what causes the Flu.

CoViD19 is now called SARS-CoV-19. It is a virus that has similar symptoms as the flu. Also SARS has things that the Flu does not have. They are different. People do in fact die from both the flu and SARS.

SARS stands for Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome. You may recall we had another SARS that came out a few years back.
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Old 07-10-2020, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Idaho
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SARS stands for Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome. You may recall we had another SARS that came out a few years back.
Not trying to be combative in any way. Maybe my memory is poor, but I remember in the last/original SARS episode, there doesn't seem to have been the panic or widespread worry that this current SARS is causing. Why the difference in responses?

Is this one just 'worse'? Don't remember people wearing masks last time and I can't remember myself being particularly concerned. Maybe I was just outside the high-risk group and now I'm in it.
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Old 07-10-2020, 04:42 PM
 
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Not trying to be combative in any way. Maybe my memory is poor, but I remember in the last/original SARS episode, there doesn't seem to have been the panic or widespread worry that this current SARS is causing. Why the difference in responses?

Is this one just 'worse'? Don't remember people wearing masks last time and I can't remember myself being particularly concerned. Maybe I was just outside the high-risk group and now I'm in it.
The "last" SARS was too lethal for it's own good. It was also not spread by asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic carriers. I think the final IFR was around 5%, while COVID-19 is more like 0.25%.

There was a HUGE reaction to the earlier SARS in Asia. In fact, it "trained" those societies to prepare for COVID-19 and is probably the reason most Asian countries have controlled, and many have eliminated, community spread of COVID-19. SARS popularized mask-wearing in general, and especially during epidemics. Every advertisement for any sort of cold/flu medicine in Taiwan has every person wearing masks, even long before the current pandemic.

The reason it wasn't a big deal in the USA is that very few cases made it out of Asia before the epidemic was controlled and quashed. The high death rate and lower rate of spread allowed China, Singapore, Hong Kong, and Taiwan to stop outbreaks and isolate carriers. The overall social reaction of staying home when you got sick (with the original SARS) meant that a mutation that created a harmless (and less infectious) variant of the virus quickly became the dominant strain (and made those who contracted it immune to the deadly original virus). The deadly strain died out when carriers of it isolated before they could spread it, and the harmless strain just sort of faded away. I think it still exists in low levels in places, and a vaccine was in work, but nobody thought it was worth funding. Until COVID-19 appeared, that is. I think some vaccines currently in-work are building off the partially-complete original SARS vaccine.

Now somebody come along and tell me how wrong I was about some of the nits.
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Old 07-11-2020, 07:59 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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...it just shows that the virus is contagious, like a zillion other flus etc.
A simple video clip that shows just why COVID-19 is not like the flu: contagion factor, fatality rate, etc. Explained very clearly in the first couple of minutes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVIG...ature=youtu.be
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Old 07-12-2020, 12:59 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Yup. They reversed course today. Lunacy!

Instead of letting people spend at least some of their day spread out on the sand in the open air with a nice seabreeze mixing out the infectious particles, they're pushing people to spend the ENTIRE 3 DAY WEEKEND at indoor bars and restaurants. Or--much worse--longer-duration and larger home indoor gatherings.

This is such a huge mistake. Ventura is pretending like it is protecting itself from a flood of LA beachgoers, but they're still going to come for the open bars, resturants, and AirBNB's. Instead of shooting off fireworks on the beach, they'll be lighting them in the hills and starting brush fires.

A family that might have come up, hit the beach, used the bathrooms, and then headed back to LA with some take-out without having spread the virus, is now going to come up, find the beach closed, crowd the downtown, go into the candy shop, hit the brewery, acquiring and spreading COVID to salespeople and food service workers.

AND/OR they'll stay home in the AC and have a stream of unmasked friends over, acquiring and spreading COVID. Then they'll bring it up next weekend when the beaches reopen and everybody revenge-travels. If LA gets it, we get it.

Closing the beach but leaving restaurants/retail open is like carefully hanging up your tools inside a burning barn.

Local officials need to stop pretending like there is anything that can be done to stop this epidemic (in America), and start expanding hospital capacity and protecting vital infrastructure for the inevitable wave that's coming.
That's an odd conclusion to come to. If I want to go the beach and the beach is closed I don't go to a bar instead...why would I?
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Old 07-13-2020, 09:56 AM
 
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That's an odd conclusion to come to. If I want to go the beach and the beach is closed I don't go to a bar instead...why would I?
You've rented an AirBnB with friends with the intent to hit the beach every day for the long holiday weekend in Ventura. Authorities are chasing people off the beach, but downtown restaurants and bars are open. What do you do with yourself for the next 3 days? Sit inside your rented studio and stare at your buddies?
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Old 07-13-2020, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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You've rented an AirBnB with friends with the intent to hit the beach every day for the long holiday weekend in Ventura. Authorities are chasing people off the beach, but downtown restaurants and bars are open. What do you do with yourself for the next 3 days? Sit inside your rented studio and stare at your buddies?
Go hiking, travel to a place with an open beach, party at the AirBnB, if allowed rent a boat. Sitting in a bar for 3 days would be at the bottom of my list. But wouldn't bars and indoor dining be closed if the beaches were?
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Old 07-16-2020, 01:08 AM
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Location: California
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But wouldn't bars and indoor dining be closed if the beaches were?
They are closed now.. and beaches are open. Maybe they listened to WAC
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