[sheena12]

Originally Posted by Alonso Gil

I've lived in several states, and I moved to Vermont from Oklahoma. VT is the worst, by far! I lived in NYC for a few years, and while people there can be rude, at least they're upfront about it. In Vermont, people will say nice things to your face while stabbing you in the back.



Maybe it's different in rural areas, but in Williston/Burlington, it is not a nice place to live. The hearts of the residents match the weather -- cold and dark.

Honestly, I have never heard anything like this about Vermont before. Anyone who moves there, knows that the weather is cold, the scenery is spectacular, and the interesting mix of locals, transplants, libertarians, and aging hippies, and a congenial lot.

Perhaps the culture shock of coming from bible belt, hot, flat, and bland Oklahoma, and moving to"live and let live", breathtakingly beautiful and quirky Vermont, was just too much. I am not being rude, I am only making an observation. Having been to OK, I observed that it's a state full of chain restaurants, oppressively hot weather, and fundamentalist Christians. I see that you now live in another Reno, another hot, western state.

It would be hard to find two states as dissimilar as OK and VT.

I am wondering what attracted you to VT in the first place?

[MacInTx]

Originally Posted by CatwomanofV

In San Antonio, my house had an alarm system on it-and even with all the windows & doors locked, I still slept with a knife next to my bed. (I'm not a gun person.) Here, we don't even lock our doors. I feel SAFE here in Vermont-something I didn't feel in Texas.

Texas is a big place - about 28 times as big as Vermont.



Please do not slam all of Texas with your feelings about San Antonio.

[Alonso Gil]

Originally Posted by sheena12

Honestly, I have never heard anything like this about Vermont before. Anyone who moves there, knows that the weather is cold, the scenery is spectacular, and the interesting mix of locals, transplants, libertarians, and aging hippies, and a congenial lot.

Perhaps the culture shock of coming from bible belt, hot, flat, and bland Oklahoma, and moving to"live and let live", breathtakingly beautiful and quirky Vermont, was just too much. I am not being rude, I am only making an observation. Having been to OK, I observed that it's a state full of chain restaurants, oppressively hot weather, and fundamentalist Christians. I see that you now live in another Reno, another hot, western state.

It would be hard to find two states as dissimilar as OK and VT.

I am wondering what attracted you to VT in the first place?

I lived in OK for 4 years, not my whole life. Like I said, I lived in NYC, and for more than 4 years.


The part of OK I lived in was not Oklahoma City or Tulsa. It was eastern OK near a lake, so not flat and relatively nice weather (compared to most of the south). It was a small town, with no chain restaurants except one Pizza Hut and one Sonic and one McDonald's.


Reno isn't hot now; it's cold!


I moved to VT for potential employment and quickly gave up.

[Alonso Gil]

Originally Posted by MacInTx

Texas is a big place - about 28 times as big as Vermont.



Please do not slam all of Texas with your feelings about San Antonio.

San Antonio, like any big city, has crummy neighborhoods. I've been there for work once, where the PA announcements to the customers were all in Spanish, and there was graffiti on the walls in the neighborhood. I also visited the Riverwalk once and didn't get shot or stabbed.

[ansible90]

Originally Posted by revrandy

I had the displeasure of living in Vermont, Burlington area. Worst decision of my life. From day one I was informed that my views of things were meaningless as I wasn't a born and bred new englander. They were rude to my face, to my spouse's face and spread lies about us behind our backs.


If I had to do it over, I would live in a dirt hut in the Borneo Forest before I live in Vermont. I have told friends it is better to be homeless elsewhere (which I am not), than be a resident of that god awful, backwoods, hole in the wall state.


My only regret is it doesn't get hit by hurricane's and won't be wiped off the map.

I have never encountered that attitude from anyone I have met here in VT for the past 4 years.
I have never encountered that attitude from anyone I have met in any state or neighborhood I have ever lived in.
Makes me wonder how YOU approached the people YOU met.

[Biker53]

Originally Posted by ansible90

I have never encountered that attitude from anyone I have met here in VT for the past 4 years.
I have never encountered that attitude from anyone I have met in any state or neighborhood I have ever lived in.
Makes me wonder how YOU approached the people YOU met.

My guess is he violated the golden rule for newcomers to listen more than talk, to ask questions more than offer opinions. VT will welcome just about anyone but you must accept us as we are and in turn we will accept you as you are. Live and let live is not the norm everywhere.

[Alonso Gil]

Originally Posted by Biker53

My guess is he violated the golden rule for newcomers to listen more than talk, to ask questions more than offer opinions. VT will welcome just about anyone but you must accept us as we are and in turn we will accept you as you are. Live and let live is not the norm everywhere.

"Live and let live" is the opposite of ordering people around. It would help people coming to the state to see this at the state line so they're prepared:

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Biker53

My guess is he violated the golden rule for newcomers to listen more than talk, to ask questions more than offer opinions. VT will welcome just about anyone but you must accept us as we are and in turn we will accept you as you are. Live and let live is not the norm everywhere.

I was brought in to help a church deal with the difficulties they had. My role was to listen but also talk and bring into place new policies and procedures to help them move forward and overcome the problems they had (which were many). If all I did was listen and nothing else, I wouldn't have done my job as required. They resented everything I had to say, even though I was following national guidelines with respect to policies and procedures, and continually wanted to do things their way, even though it was leading them on a road to failure.


Nasty is an understatement in how I was "welcomed". For example the first comments to me by some leadership in the church was to tell me I wasn't wanted and feel free to leave and find a church that needed me; even though the reason I was brought in was they needed what I was brought in to do.

[CatwomanofV]

Originally Posted by MacInTx

Texas is a big place - about 28 times as big as Vermont.



Please do not slam all of Texas with your feelings about San Antonio.

My experience of living in Texas was not a good one. I also lived in Wichita Falls for a short period of time, too so my experience with Texas wasn't just SA. I hated the weather-was TOO hot for me-not to mention the threat of tornadoes. Yeah, Vermont can get tornadoes but they are much smaller than the ones you get out west. But, what I will say about Texas is that do have outstanding Tex-Mex food.


Cat

[CatwomanofV]

I also lived in Oklahoma for a while-Tulsa. I still have family there (in fact, I was just there in Sept. visiting my sister and attending my niece's wedding). There are some things I like about Tulsa but I hate the weather-too hot and threat of tornadoes. I also don't like cities. I understand that some people thrive in cities and more power to them. But that is not for me-even Burlington & Rutland are too much urban for me. What I like about Tulsa is that it is fairly easy to find your way. I can't say that I have ever gotten lost in that city. What I don't like about it are all the fundamentalists who believe that their religion is the ONLY one.

Originally Posted by revrandy

I had the displeasure of living in Vermont, Burlington area. Worst decision of my life. From day one I was informed that my views of things were meaningless as I wasn't a born and bred new englander. They were rude to my face, to my spouse's face and spread lies about us behind our backs.


If I had to do it over, I would live in a dirt hut in the Borneo Forest before I live in Vermont. I have told friends it is better to be homeless elsewhere (which I am not), than be a resident of that god awful, backwoods, hole in the wall state.


My only regret is it doesn't get hit by hurricane's and won't be wiped off the map.

This is really a nasty thing to say. You didn't like living here. Ok, I get that, but to wish disaster on a place that many of us love and call home is just nasty. I hate Texas with a passion but I NEVER wished ill on it because I know there are many people who love it and call it home-including a couple of my nieces. Talk about being rude.


Cat