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Old 07-20-2021, 02:40 PM
 
Location: outlying Richmond, Va.
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There arent enough Libertarians to keep Virginia as is. The state is in a rapid flux towards Progressive. This is just a middle stage for the Commonwealth towards a deeper blue on the whole.

I thought TN/KY firmly Libertarian so remains steady.
Exactly. This is called trend-reading.

One must read the trends to learn where a state is headed and what comes next.

What most conservatives are fearful of is a more entrenched leftward trajectory, not necessarily the current state of affairs where there is still some semblance of checks and balances (at least there was).

To be completely liberal Democrat-controlled is a different thing than to be a moderate state that shifts both left and right depending on the tides. That's the kind of state I want Virginia to be, one that swings both ways because extremism is not good for business (regardless of red/blue alignment).

This is why Glenn Youngkin is necessary, even if you are democratic-leaning. What matters is that you care about the future of Virginia.
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Old 07-20-2021, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Where my bills arrive
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Exactly. This is called trend-reading.

One must read the trends to learn where a state is headed and what comes next.

What most conservatives are fearful of is a more entrenched leftward trajectory, not necessarily the current state of affairs where there is still some semblance of checks and balances (at least there was).

To be completely liberal Democrat-controlled is a different thing than to be a moderate state that shifts both left and right depending on the tides. That's the kind of state I want Virginia to be, one that swings both ways because extremism is not good for business (regardless of red/blue alignment).

This is why Glenn Youngkin is necessary, even if you are democratic-leaning. What matters is that you care about the future of Virginia.
You fear leftward entrenchment when every none Republican is classified as a left wing extremist by the conservatives. Meanwhile the right is hitting for the fence line every time with no room for moderates regardless which side they support . I agree that being moderate with both sides having their way back and forth is a good thing, no one side is always right.

You keep preaching Youngkin when is he going to publish what he wants to do and where he stands on issues? His childhood memories and success in business tell nothing, where does he stand on National Republican issues, does he subscribe to the legitimacy of the election or does he think it was stolen? This among other question are things he is now responsible for because the National Republican party has no leeway for free thinking and anyone not towing the party line is called out and shunned...

So where does does stand or is he another T-Party hack in moderates clothing?
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Old 07-20-2021, 06:36 PM
 
Location: northern va
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You fear leftward entrenchment when every none Republican is classified as a left wing extremist by the conservatives. Meanwhile the right is hitting for the fence line every time with no room for moderates regardless which side they support . I agree that being moderate with both sides having their way back and forth is a good thing, no one side is always right.

You keep preaching Youngkin when is he going to publish what he wants to do and where he stands on issues? His childhood memories and success in business tell nothing, where does he stand on National Republican issues, does he subscribe to the legitimacy of the election or does he think it was stolen? This among other question are things he is now responsible for because the National Republican party has no leeway for free thinking and anyone not towing the party line is called out and shunned...

So where does does stand or is he another T-Party hack in moderates clothing?
Couldn't rep you again but agreed across the board.. Youngkin is no different than loser Corey Stewart
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Old 07-20-2021, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, VA
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Couldn't rep. you all again but I agree (in the most part) with the posts.
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Old 07-20-2021, 08:42 PM
 
Location: TN/NC
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Originally Posted by rural & red View Post
Exactly. This is called trend-reading.

One must read the trends to learn where a state is headed and what comes next.

What most conservatives are fearful of is a more entrenched leftward trajectory, not necessarily the current state of affairs where there is still some semblance of checks and balances (at least there was).

To be completely liberal Democrat-controlled is a different thing than to be a moderate state that shifts both left and right depending on the tides. That's the kind of state I want Virginia to be, one that swings both ways because extremism is not good for business (regardless of red/blue alignment).

This is why Glenn Youngkin is necessary, even if you are democratic-leaning. What matters is that you care about the future of Virginia.
I don't know much about Youngkin. That said, I don't think you need to pass the baton for the sake of it.

My thoughts are that Northam has largely been walking the road of a fairly moderate, technocratic Democrat. I don't hear some of the wild social ideas from him that you'd hear from larger city Democrats. My problem is with McAuliffe is that he has "been there, done that," and been in politics for decades. I don't want a retread from the Clinton era.
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Old 07-21-2021, 12:28 AM
 
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There arent enough Libertarians to keep Virginia as is. The state is in a rapid flux towards Progressive. This is just a middle stage for the Commonwealth towards a deeper blue on the whole.

I thought TN/KY firmly Libertarian so remains steady.
Tennessee is not Libertarian. This state may not control your money, but they will try and control everything else about your life if you give them the chance. Wyoming, Montana, Arizona, and New Hampshire are Libertarian states, not TN or most states in the Bible Belt, besides maybe Virginia in a few respects.

Virginia can keep it center or center-right in their next governor and they would not be headed in the direction of Tennessee.
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Old 07-21-2021, 05:26 AM
 
Location: outlying Richmond, Va.
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The problem is Terry McAuliffe has flip flopped on the Right-to-Work. In 2013 he supported it, but now that the Democrats are becoming more socialist left (less technocratic), he is getting pulled in the same direction. As a career politician, can you blame him? He is just doing what his masters tell him to.

Terry M now supports a repeal or at the very least an increase in collective bargaining for unions and their members. Eventually union bosses will call all of the shots and employees will be forced to pay union membership. This has the effect of curtailing business activity -- it will result in more capital and people leaving.

Already we are seeing the effect of business fear in this respect...

So much for being good for business, Virginia is now #49 in having a favorable small business environment according to the Motley Fool (https://www.fool.com/the-blueprint/t...mall-business/

That's terrible!

This portents the eventual removal of this vital piece of state law. Terry M is now bragging about his plans to repeal or roll back some of the Right-to-Work with Big Labor.
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Old 07-21-2021, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Boston - Baltimore - Richmond
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Ok, so what is Youngkin's plan? I see people have asked you this but your only answer seems to be that he isn't Terry M. What are Youngkin's policies that you like so much? Let's forget Terry M for sec, what are the policies of Youngkin that you believe will move Virginia in the right direction. Besides right to work.
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Old 07-21-2021, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Boydton, VA
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"This portents the eventual removal of this vital piece of state law. Terry M is now bragging about his plans to repeal or roll back some of the Right-to-Work with Big Labor."

R&R.... you see to think the sky is falling about the "Right to Work" being reversed, and this is your 1 issue reason to vote for Youngkin....

Tell us why ? How listing a comparison, with column headers:

What benefit has the history of Right to Work done for America:

What benefit has the history of Organized Labor done for America:

Regards
Gemstone1
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Old 07-21-2021, 08:01 AM
 
Location: outlying Richmond, Va.
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The Right-to-Work is a big ticket issue for me. Only Youngkin has stated his desire to protect the sanctity of it during this election.

I'm a fiscal conservative at the core. This issue means a lot to me, my family, my business and associates. I believe in equal opportunity and do not want the interference of labor unions into what are truly personal, contractual obligations between an employer and employee with free will. I believe the only way to acquire the skills necessary to move up in the world means you have to start somewhere. Removing this piece of state law will reduce the total number of jobs in Virginia and raise the entry-level and skill requirements to get a job for people without many skills. They need opportunity not labor union interference.

After all, everyone knows the biggest backers of $15/hr wage are the labor unions, whose members typically make way more than that. Why? Because they don't want competition from less skilled workers who'll accept a lower wage in order to move up in the world. At the end of the day, a business will only pay out $15/hr if the labor can support it, otherwise there is a mismatch and the business will suffer. People need opportunity. What's good for business becomes good for workers and the economy.

I care more about preserving what we have than changing things for the worse.
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