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Originally Posted by Bungalove
You can reserve your seat at the next zoning meeting, but Spotsy County has always favored the developers over anything else, including rural preservation. It's very obvious when you compare development in Spotsy v King George or Caroline counties. Even Stafford lagged behind Spotsy until fairly recently.
I'm not the one complaining and comparing a popular residential county with strong schools and good infrastructure to 2 counties with limited infrastructure and poor schools is not an even comparison.
It is odd how Stafford was later to the table seeing its closer to DC...
I'm not the one complaining and comparing a popular residential county with strong schools and good infrastructure to 2 counties with limited infrastructure and poor schools is not an even comparison.
It is odd how Stafford was later to the table seeing its closer to DC...
Good old Route 3 traffic. It's developing alright, apartments at the mall, baseball team, Route 1 congestion, 95 always a mess, I have a farm out in Orange County but do work in Fredericksburg and over development is killing the country side, heck we got a Taco Bell out in Locust Grove now and we made Wal-Mart move when they tried to do something right next to Wilderness Battlefield.
As far as those apartments go at the Town Center I'm not sure. I grew up in the 80's when malls were the rage but today they really are not so building apartments on top of 95, 3, and 1 traffic congestion just does not work plus they already have new apartments right next to the Fred Nats baseball field and Expo Center.
Nice post, and yes I just hope this god awful new post development is the last. It has destroyed the Bellavadre Planation.
I never understand the perpetual whining about development in this area- people who want to talk about new homes replacing farmland and forest need to understand that at some point trees and greenery were mowed over for your house. Even here in Arlington with our rows of small box colonials built in neighborhoods all up and down Route 50. The only reason it looks like trees have been there forever is that they were planted in fifty plus years ago.
And Caroline County has a ton of development approved from years ago- Ladysmith Village and two or three other massive ones with thousands of homes approved so I wouldn't say it is some preservationist's ideal yet - just not right on the front lines of sprawl yet.
If you owned the farmland would your goal be to take a much lower price so some other random people could preserve the viewshed and stare at it? Or would you sell to a developer for market price- I think I know the answer.
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I never understand the perpetual whining about development in this area- people who want to talk about new homes replacing farmland and forest need to understand that at some point trees and greenery were mowed over for your house. Even here in Arlington with our rows of small box colonials built in neighborhoods all up and down Route 50. The only reason it looks like trees have been there forever is that they were planted in fifty plus years ago.
And Caroline County has a ton of development approved from years ago- Ladysmith Village and two or three other massive ones with thousands of homes approved so I wouldn't say it is some preservationist's ideal yet - just not right on the front lines of sprawl yet.
If you owned the farmland would your goal be to take a much lower price so some other random people could preserve the viewshed and stare at it? Or would you sell to a developer for market price- I think I know the answer.
Same question I asked, every one talks preserve the farm/rural lands until its their time to sell and they are not willing to take $.10 on the $1.00 to preserve the land, they want top dollar. I also find that those who moved in most recently are the most vocal about new developments, they have their slice of heaven and don't want it encroached on. Of course they are deaf to the same arguments that were made when their neighborhood was being built.
Same question I asked, every one talks preserve the farm/rural lands until its their time to sell and they are not willing to take $.10 on the $1.00 to preserve the land, they want top dollar. I also find that those who moved in most recently are the most vocal about new developments, they have their slice of heaven and don't want it encroached on. Of course they are deaf to the same arguments that were made when their neighborhood was being built.
Agree- read any news article about new developments in Loudoun, Prince William, Stafford, etc you get the same thing - "I moved here from Fairfax (or Arlington or DC or Montgomery County, MD, or New Jersey, etc) to get away from all this craziness- we don't need any more development!!' They scream it loud and proud from their new homes on some former farm or forest. It's really amusing actually. My latest favorite is people from a massive 55 and over community called Heritage Hunt in far western Prince William County complaining that rezoning aging farmland near them for data center development (aka TAX REVENUE for the county) is just so outrageous and not appropriate for 'rural Prince William'- look up any news article on the subject and they've largely all moved into the area several years ago in a 1,500 plus home community that replaced a former dairy farm- it was ok for their development to be built but there can be zero development on similar parcels next to them- nope!! They'll call it industrial 'sprawl' or whatever- doesn't matter. If they weren't data centers and people would propose selling to build new homes it would be the same argument. Other people objecting largely all live in new huge developments in Gainesville and Haymarket that didn't exist 10-15 years ago.
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I never understand the perpetual whining about development in this area- people who want to talk about new homes replacing farmland and forest need to understand that at some point trees and greenery were mowed over for your house. Even here in Arlington with our rows of small box colonials built in neighborhoods all up and down Route 50. The only reason it looks like trees have been there forever is that they were planted in fifty plus years ago.
And Caroline County has a ton of development approved from years ago- Ladysmith Village and two or three other massive ones with thousands of homes approved so I wouldn't say it is some preservationist's ideal yet - just not right on the front lines of sprawl yet.
If you owned the farmland would your goal be to take a much lower price so some other random people could preserve the viewshed and stare at it? Or would you sell to a developer for market price- I think I know the answer.
1) Caroline has maybe 20K people in 500+ sq miles, it is rural.
2) Just because there is growth doesn't mean it has to be done in the god awful manner it has been done which is both ugly and not sustainable from a long term economic point of view.
3) The fact that there is this pattern of development perhaps speaks to the ineffectiveness of planning, zoning, and the 'free market' capitalist (for some) type of system.
4) Dense development makes sense in Arlington which is a stone's throw from the urban core, not 65 miles away on plantation.
We're not really interested in becoming Northern Virginia and that is why I chose Orange County because our county is big on agriculture but yet we are close enough to 95 and Fredericksburg to go have fun on our time off. Fredericksburg is great, I love that little town but I hate to see it's history grown over with excessive development of 300k town homes, why would anyone buy an apartment for 300K? Then you got HOA which is basically a neighborhood communist party. History and old colonial architecture is nice to look at and educational from a historical academic standpoint.
This isn't binary.
This sprawl is awful, it is a bad design, a horrible location, that is out of place with the area.
You're on a pro-urban sprawl sub-forum. Good luck changing the mind of anyone who thinks a place like South Riding or Broadlands is an efficient usage of open space.
As for me I am very YIMBY (pro-development), as long as it is RESPONSIBLE development. I live in a dense neighborhood already in a tiny rowhouse, and I want it to become even denser. When I lived in Reston I wanted to see new high-rises built everywhere, but all of the Boomers who lived in single-family detached homes balked at new projects for being "too dense" or "affecting views".
When you are in a growing metropolitan area it makes sense to cram as much new development into as small of a land footprint as possible to preserve open space, improve housing affordability, and enhance the opportunity to build new transit lines. Part of the reason why housing is so expensive in NoVA is due to a limited supply of available housing, and part of the reason for that is NIMBY's wanting farmlands to become tract housing with vinyl-clad single-family detached dwellings on 1/4-acre lots instead of condominiums that could house many more people on less land.
EDIT: Oh, wait. I see you are somehow both anti-urban sprawl AND anti-density. I can't really help you out then. The best way to preserve as much open space as possible around Fredericksburg would be to encourage more dense/vertical development so all of the people who wanted to live in/near Fredericksburg could be housed on a smaller land footprint to thereby preserve more open space overall for future generations to enjoy. I am confused as to why you hate high-rises and townhouses so much for taking up too much open space---do you not realize how much MORE open space would be lost if those dense developments were single-family detached dwellings on 1/4-acre lots instead? There would be no open space left anywhere remotely near Fredericksburg then.
You're on a pro-urban sprawl sub-forum. Good luck changing the mind of anyone who thinks a place like South Riding or Broadlands is an efficient usage of open space.
As for me I am very YIMBY (pro-development), as long as it is RESPONSIBLE development. I live in a dense neighborhood already in a tiny rowhouse, and I want it to become even denser. When I lived in Reston I wanted to see new high-rises built everywhere, but all of the Boomers who lived in single-family detached homes balked at new projects for being "too dense" or "affecting views".
When you are in a growing metropolitan area it makes sense to cram as much new development into as small of a land footprint as possible to preserve open space, improve housing affordability, and enhance the opportunity to build new transit lines. Part of the reason why housing is so expensive in NoVA is due to a limited supply of available housing, and part of the reason for that is NIMBY's wanting farmlands to become tract housing with vinyl-clad single-family detached dwellings on 1/4-acre lots instead of condominiums that could house many more people on less land.
EDIT: Oh, wait. I see you are somehow both anti-urban sprawl AND anti-density. I can't really help you out then. The best way to preserve as much open space as possible around Fredericksburg would be to encourage more dense/vertical development so all of the people who wanted to live in/near Fredericksburg could be housed on a smaller land footprint to thereby preserve more open space overall for future generations to enjoy. I am confused as to why you hate high-rises and townhouses so much for taking up too much open space---do you not realize how much MORE open space would be lost if those dense developments were single-family detached dwellings on 1/4-acre lots instead? There would be no open space left anywhere remotely near Fredericksburg then.
#1-I did not know this forum was pro-urban sprawl. Is this indeed true?
#2-I am pro density, IN THE RIGHT PLACE, which Belvedere Planation is NOT.
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