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If it's so expensive to live here, how is that possible??
You have to show me the stats, the trends of rich white people moving out, to VA?? Think its THAT much cheaper over there??
I've been looking, mainly because the market I want to work is Northern VA. Housing is just as expensive unless you go way out...
Who knows where they go? You assume they stay in the region. I have not made that assumption.
What I do know is that poverty in MoCo is on the increase, and has been for a good while now. I provided a link to show you the "suburbanization of poverty" in MoCo. It's real, and it has been documented. Feel free to click the link if you don't believe me.
One can only assume housing costs have gone down enough to bring in the poverty set. How else would they live in MoCo if there wasn't an opportunity to find a place to live there? Who, what, when, where, and how that has come to be is anyone's guess. I'd start with MoCo's liberal policies on alluring the lowest common denominator as your starting point, beginning in the 1960's/1970's.
One can only assume housing costs have gone down enough to bring in the poverty set. How else would they live in MoCo if there wasn't an opportunity to find a place to live there? Who, what, when, where, and how that has come to be
is anyone's guess.
Subsidies. This is just one example, but last year I met a single young woman with a young child who was in and out of work. She told me her rent was $1400 per month in MoCo. She received considerable aid to for rent, food and child care services and whatnot. When I met her she was applying for an increase in funds. She knew others in the same boat. Also, what has become not so uncommon is in residential areas that are easily accessible by bus or metro and without stern HOAs that keep watch, 10-20 people living in a sfh. I had neighbors like that until they eventually lost their home and a young family moved in.
I have family who live in MoCo who are house poor. They all work and earn a decent amount compared to the rest of the nation, but their rent or mortgage is so high that they can barely afford anything else. It's sad, but this region is getting too expensive to live in. Yesterday on WTOP radio there was a segment where they were describing this. Several listeners mentioned being forced to move out far away out to West VA or Frederick County and commute hours to and from work in order to afford a decent living. Others are just plain moving away from the region. PG is starting to look more attractive now.
I am absolutely, 100%, unequivocally convinced that Montgomery County has seen its peak and is now on the downhill slide. Rich white people are moving out (and have been for a while) and lower-to-middle class legal and illegal immigrants are moving in. As a result, poverty rates are changing for the worse. Such an equation is terrible for the county as lower tax revenues and increased social expenditures are usually the result. This is not coincident. Click the link to see with your own eyes.
It's kind of interesting to watch the MoCo defenders on this thread. It's almost as if they moved to MoCo at some point in their lives because of some sort of irresistible allure or fantasy attached to liberal utopia and refuse to acknowledge that MoCo is not the same place it used to be when rich white people were the primary inhabitants.
Montgomery County still is an enclave of white wealth. Yeah, you're right, Potomac, Bethesda, Kensington and Chevy Chase are all on the downhill slide and turning into Langley Park. Salvadorans are shacking up 300 deep in million dollar homes in Chevy Chase. Run for the hills.
You obviously were raised in the shockingly wealthy and white MoCo bubble or somewhere similar and don't even know what its like on the other side of the beltway.
And if it weren't for the "illegal immigrants" in MoCo, who would fix your coffee at Dunkin' Donuts or your burrito at Chipotle, cut your lawn and fix your roof at your mini mansion and fix the potholes in the roads you travel to and from "work"? Central American immigrants are the backbone of the working class in Montgomery County and Northern Virginia. And the working class is not called the working class for no reason because they actually break a sweat and keep the wheels of the world running while yuppies are pushing paper or helping a rich white guy get richer. The Central American immigrant class are the ones really working while desk jockeys surf porn downtown in DC all day and they continue to work late into the evening when degree snobs are red-faced drunk at pricey douchey bars in the District after hours.
Central American immigrants are often demonized and stereotyped as violent gang members in Montgomery County. However, real gang violence in MoCo is pretty much nonexistent. Central Americans come here to work jobs that white people refuse to work. MS-13 and other Central American gangs operate more like the mafia in MoCo, if they are truly active at all. Yes, you may have occasional fights and stabbings between gang members at seedy Mexican bars and clubs in Wheaton and Silver Spring, but thats about it.
I'm from California, and nowhere, I mean nowhere, in Montgomery County rivals the level of carnage and mayhem you see there amongst Central American gangs. In California cities, Central American gangsters shoot each other up with military issue rifles in drive by shootings in broad daylight on at least a monthly basis. Where in Montgomery County does this happen, ever? Most Central American gangsters came to Montgomery County to live a much quieter safer life and ultimately escape the relentless street violence of Central America and California.
And please, "poverty" in Montgomery County is laughable. Montgomery county has excellent public transportation and housing even in "poorer" areas. Crime in Montgomery County is a joke compared to inner beltway PG County, NE/SE DC, Baltimore City and any real inner city ghetto area in America. Even in primarily black Section 8 areas in Montgomery County, crime is very low and is often petty when it happens. You have a few unemployed young black dudes nickle and dime hustling weed and maybe a little bit of coke who might intimidate pedestrians out of pocket money or jump you for your brand new Air Jordans. But thats the extent of the crime in Section 8 areas in MoCo and HoCo.
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Montgomery County still is an enclave of white wealth. Yeah, you're right, Potomac, Bethesda, Kensington and Chevy Chase are all on the downhill slide and turning into Langley Park. Salvadorans are shacking up 300 deep in million dollar homes in Chevy Chase. Run for the hills.
You obviously were raised in the shockingly wealthy and white MoCo bubble or somewhere similar and don't even know what its like on the other side of the beltway.
And if it weren't for the "illegal immigrants" in MoCo, who would fix your coffee at Dunkin' Donuts or your burrito at Chipotle, cut your lawn and fix your roof at your mini mansion and fix the potholes in the roads you travel to and from "work"? Central American immigrants are the backbone of the working class in Montgomery County and Northern Virginia. And the working class is not called the working class for no reason because they actually break a sweat and keep the wheels of the world running while yuppies are pushing paper or helping a rich white guy get richer. The Central American immigrant class are the ones really working while desk jockeys surf porn downtown in DC all day and they continue to work late into the evening when degree snobs are red-faced drunk at pricey douchey bars in the District after hours.
Central American immigrants are often demonized and stereotyped as violent gang members in Montgomery County. However, real gang violence in MoCo is pretty much nonexistent. Central Americans come here to work jobs that white people refuse to work. MS-13 and other Central American gangs operate more like the mafia in MoCo, if they are truly active at all. Yes, you may have occasional fights and stabbings between gang members at seedy Mexican bars and clubs in Wheaton and Silver Spring, but thats about it.
I'm from California, and nowhere, I mean nowhere, in Montgomery County rivals the level of carnage and mayhem you see there amongst Central American gangs. In California cities, Central American gangsters shoot each other up with military issue rifles in drive by shootings in broad daylight on at least a monthly basis. Where in Montgomery County does this happen, ever? Most Central American gangsters came to Montgomery County to live a much quieter safer life and ultimately escape the relentless street violence of Central America and California.
And please, "poverty" in Montgomery County is laughable. Montgomery county has excellent public transportation and housing even in "poorer" areas. Crime in Montgomery County is a joke compared to inner beltway PG County, NE/SE DC, Baltimore City and any real inner city ghetto area in America. Even in primarily black Section 8 areas in Montgomery County, crime is very low and is often petty when it happens. You have a few unemployed young black dudes nickle and dime hustling weed and maybe a little bit of coke who might intimidate pedestrians out of pocket money or jump you for your brand new Air Jordans. But thats the extent of the crime in Section 8 areas in MoCo and HoCo.
I enjoyed your response.....took some words out of my mouth!
Montgomery County still is an enclave of white wealth. Yeah, you're right, Potomac, Bethesda, Kensington and Chevy Chase are all on the downhill slide and turning into Langley Park. Salvadorans are shacking up 300 deep in million dollar homes in Chevy Chase. Run for the hills.
You obviously were raised in the shockingly wealthy and white MoCo bubble or somewhere similar and don't even know what its like on the other side of the beltway.
And if it weren't for the "illegal immigrants" in MoCo, who would fix your coffee at Dunkin' Donuts or your burrito at Chipotle, cut your lawn and fix your roof at your mini mansion and fix the potholes in the roads you travel to and from "work"? Central American immigrants are the backbone of the working class in Montgomery County and Northern Virginia. And the working class is not called the working class for no reason because they actually break a sweat and keep the wheels of the world running while yuppies are pushing paper or helping a rich white guy get richer. The Central American immigrant class are the ones really working while desk jockeys surf porn downtown in DC all day and they continue to work late into the evening when degree snobs are red-faced drunk at pricey douchey bars in the District after hours.
Central American immigrants are often demonized and stereotyped as violent gang members in Montgomery County. However, real gang violence in MoCo is pretty much nonexistent. Central Americans come here to work jobs that white people refuse to work. MS-13 and other Central American gangs operate more like the mafia in MoCo, if they are truly active at all. Yes, you may have occasional fights and stabbings between gang members at seedy Mexican bars and clubs in Wheaton and Silver Spring, but thats about it.
I'm from California, and nowhere, I mean nowhere, in Montgomery County rivals the level of carnage and mayhem you see there amongst Central American gangs. In California cities, Central American gangsters shoot each other up with military issue rifles in drive by shootings in broad daylight on at least a monthly basis. Where in Montgomery County does this happen, ever? Most Central American gangsters came to Montgomery County to live a much quieter safer life and ultimately escape the relentless street violence of Central America and California.
And please, "poverty" in Montgomery County is laughable. Montgomery county has excellent public transportation and housing even in "poorer" areas. Crime in Montgomery County is a joke compared to inner beltway PG County, NE/SE DC, Baltimore City and any real inner city ghetto area in America. Even in primarily black Section 8 areas in Montgomery County, crime is very low and is often petty when it happens. You have a few unemployed young black dudes nickle and dime hustling weed and maybe a little bit of coke who might intimidate pedestrians out of pocket money or jump you for your brand new Air Jordans. But thats the extent of the crime in Section 8 areas in MoCo and HoCo.
I think you are sort of missing his point.
The county has made it hard for the average working stiff/middle class. Extremely controlled housing policies don't allow an affordable home or diverse demographics, just makes the poor even poorer and richer more rich. The state and county have a high tax burden and is slowly suffering from an achievement gap (Whites and Asians vs. Blacks and Hispanic) and FARMs in schools have increased dramatically. Unless you are single person or have a disability, I do not see the advantage of living an apartment long-term.
Montgomery County still is an enclave of white wealth. Yeah, you're right, Potomac, Bethesda, Kensington and Chevy Chase are all on the downhill slide and turning into Langley Park. Salvadorans are shacking up 300 deep in million dollar homes in Chevy Chase. Run for the hills.
You obviously were raised in the shockingly wealthy and white MoCo bubble or somewhere similar and don't even know what its like on the other side of the beltway.
And if it weren't for the "illegal immigrants" in MoCo, who would fix your coffee at Dunkin' Donuts or your burrito at Chipotle, cut your lawn and fix your roof at your mini mansion and fix the potholes in the roads you travel to and from "work"? Central American immigrants are the backbone of the working class in Montgomery County and Northern Virginia. And the working class is not called the working class for no reason because they actually break a sweat and keep the wheels of the world running while yuppies are pushing paper or helping a rich white guy get richer. The Central American immigrant class are the ones really working while desk jockeys surf porn downtown in DC all day and they continue to work late into the evening when degree snobs are red-faced drunk at pricey douchey bars in the District after hours.
Central American immigrants are often demonized and stereotyped as violent gang members in Montgomery County. However, real gang violence in MoCo is pretty much nonexistent. Central Americans come here to work jobs that white people refuse to work. MS-13 and other Central American gangs operate more like the mafia in MoCo, if they are truly active at all. Yes, you may have occasional fights and stabbings between gang members at seedy Mexican bars and clubs in Wheaton and Silver Spring, but thats about it.
I'm from California, and nowhere, I mean nowhere, in Montgomery County rivals the level of carnage and mayhem you see there amongst Central American gangs. In California cities, Central American gangsters shoot each other up with military issue rifles in drive by shootings in broad daylight on at least a monthly basis. Where in Montgomery County does this happen, ever? Most Central American gangsters came to Montgomery County to live a much quieter safer life and ultimately escape the relentless street violence of Central America and California.
And please, "poverty" in Montgomery County is laughable. Montgomery county has excellent public transportation and housing even in "poorer" areas. Crime in Montgomery County is a joke compared to inner beltway PG County, NE/SE DC, Baltimore City and any real inner city ghetto area in America. Even in primarily black Section 8 areas in Montgomery County, crime is very low and is often petty when it happens. You have a few unemployed young black dudes nickle and dime hustling weed and maybe a little bit of coke who might intimidate pedestrians out of pocket money or jump you for your brand new Air Jordans. But thats the extent of the crime in Section 8 areas in MoCo and HoCo.
What part of "seen its peak and is now on the downhill slide" don't you quite understand?
Nothing.....absolutely nothing you've said....changes or even rebuts that fact.
In other words, you spewed all this tripe and accomplished what, exactly?
The county has made it hard for the average working stiff/middle class. Extremely controlled housing policies don't allow an affordable home or diverse demographics, just makes the poor even poorer and richer more rich. The state and county have a high tax burden and is slowly suffering from an achievement gap (Whites and Asians vs. Blacks and Hispanic) and FARMs in schools have increased dramatically. Unless you are single person or have a disability, I do not see the advantage of living an apartment long-term.
You are exactly right. He/she absolutely missed the point. I'm not surprised though. The MoCo Slobberers™ on this forum frequently do. It's apparently some sort of cult worship kind of mindset.
You are correct... Moco sucks in a big way but jobs is one area where DC excels (the only area). If you are trying to be a flyfisherman, skier, organic farmer, or naturalist you are sol.
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Salvadorans are shacking up 300 deep in million dollar homes in Chevy Chase. Run for the hills.
