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Old 07-03-2012, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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Wow I'm shocked that anyone would defend speed cameras. I'm surprised that no one has pointed this out, but a speed camera photograph or allegation is not admissable evidence (nor should it be), because there is no real live flesh and blood human being that witnessed the alleged crime first hand.
Speed cameras, in my opinion, are oppression and tyranny of the first order.

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The problem with the cameras is they're (far too often) placed on stretches of road designed to carry traffic safely at 20-40 mph over the posted limit... and where those limits are set based on the two rush hour volume levels that are usually self governing w/r t speed... leaving 18 or more hours a day where there is no need for aggressive enforcement.

It's a trap. A money grabbing trap.
Thank God, I am not a lone voice crying in the wilderness but that there are still some thoughtful and logical individuals who can see through the bullcrap pablum about the "dangers of excessive speed" and who see that this is an outrageous justification to create a new stream of revenue created at the expense of our basic legal right to confront our accusers.

After all, how do you cross-examine a traffic camera?
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Old 07-03-2012, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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If you can't pay the fine, don't do the crime! And then whine!

What will you do when they start using drones! You know it's coming!
Why do you automatically assume the driver is guilty?

A photograph is not conclusive evidence by any stretch.
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Old 07-03-2012, 01:27 PM
 
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I had no idea this forum was full of so many constitutional scholars. Don't you guys think that some civil rights organizations would have been all over this if your complaints were really legitimate? How do y'all feel about DNA evidence and blood tests and other measurements? Would you be able to refute it if someone found your DNA at a crime scene? The speed cameras are machines taking measurements, just like the little gun thing the police use, their evidence seems totally admissable to me (and I'm a crappy law student, so don't hold me to it).
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Old 07-03-2012, 01:43 PM
 
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I've gotten 3 in the past year or so at 3 different locations, none of which are more than 20mph over the speed limit. Bad economy for Maryland? I wonder how much profit they rape out of citizens with all these speed cameras. I'm so tired of this.
Around here in Montreal they have about 15 speed cameras that are situated on major highways and are clearly marked that you are approaching one,they manage to pull in millions of dollars in revenue from people who are too distracted to read the warning signs or too lazy to slow down, if people would just slow down these cameras would be put out of business in short order but i guess people just like giving money to their local municipality,like shooting fish in a barrel.
In 5 years they caught me once,i wasnt paying attention and blew through a camera doing 100kms instead of 70kms,do i blame the camera? no i blame my own inattention/stupidity, cost me $189 to realize i should pay more attention,
I got no problems with these cameras,if the speed limit is 70kms and you are doing 100kms it aint the cameras fault if you get a ticket, heres your sign..
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Old 07-03-2012, 01:56 PM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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If you can't pay the fine, don't do the crime! And then whine!
So you're one of those "letter of the law" types who hates people who aren't obedient. On the other hand, I'm a "spirit of the law" type who hates laws that punish the competent. We probably wouldn't get along too well.


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What will you do when they start using drones!
I'd paint a giant middle finger on the roof of my truck. Go ahead and take a picture, *******s!
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Old 07-03-2012, 02:00 PM
 
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So you're one of those "letter of the law" types who hates people who aren't obedient. On the other hand, I'm a "spirit of the law" type who hates laws that punish the competent. We probably wouldn't get along too well.




I'd paint a giant middle finger on the roof of my truck. Go ahead and take a picture, *******s!

This is satire, yes?
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Old 07-03-2012, 02:34 PM
 
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This is satire, yes?
No this is some one who thinks laws of the road dont apply to him and that he should be free to drive at any speed in any manner he desires.
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Old 07-03-2012, 06:41 PM
 
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Sounds like MDPetitions needs to get a Speed Camera ban Petition up. After all, their work is the reason we'll get to vote in November on Same Sex Marriage and giving Illegals in-state college tuition.
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Old 07-03-2012, 06:55 PM
 
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The notion that "excessive" speed leads to accidents is bullsh*t at worst and ignorance at best.

Most highways (especially expressways, freeways, and interstates) are designed to safely handle much faster traffic flows than the posted speed limits. Granted, speed is one of many factors in any accident but speed is rarely the primary cause of accidents. Weather conditions, bad tires, bad brakes, alcohol and/or drug usage, sleepiness, inattention and many other factors play a much bigger role in accidents than just plain speed. If speed is really so dangerous, then someone please explain why the Autobahn with much higher speed limits (and no speed limits along much of it) has far fewer accidents and fatalities per mile (kilometer) than US interstates.

Stop believing the government and insurance industry propaganda regarding the dangers of "speed".

Amen. We were told the world was going to end when the speed limit was raised above 55mph. Now you can legally drive up to 85mph on those very same roads where the limit used to be 55.
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Old 07-03-2012, 06:57 PM
 
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Only 2/3 of the Autobahn system has no limits and has a recommended speed of 80 mph.

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And the other 1/3 of the Autobahn has a speed limit of 81mph.
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