Maryland Residents: What do you think about Voter ID Laws? (legal, vs.)

[PhenomenalAJ]

Originally Posted by pgtitans

Getting subway cost money too and getting a fake Louis Vuitton purse equally cost money. It's all about priorities. I'm a believer that people will do what they ultimately value the most. If she is really that strap for cash, brown bag it and keep a small wallet on her instead of a purse. It's the excuses that I do not understand. I do not believe it's easy for everyone but people like her clearly has a means to get ID, so what's the problem. Even the wealthy have to wait the same amount of time in the DMV.

24th Amendment

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

[justtitans]

Originally Posted by HandsUpThumbsDown

Pathetic.

It is isn't it.

[justtitans]

Originally Posted by PhenomenalAJ

24th Amendment

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Great, so how do you know they are citizens of the United States and not the citizens of another nation? Should citizens of another nation get the same rights, where is that in the amendment?

[PhenomenalAJ]

Originally Posted by pgtitans

Great, so how do you know they are citizens of the United States and not the citizens of another nation? Should citizens of another nation get the same rights, where is that in the amendment?

Wow yea, nothing foreigners put their main priorities on like voting in American elections, that one vote is going to bring down our system You have to be on the voter roll, if you just come in announcing your name is Klaxon from Mars and no name matches and you don't have a voting card, no good comes of it. The Constitution says you can't have a poll tax for good reason, it was used to suppress black votes all over the South. That may be perfectly OK with you since it gets your boys in but that is morally wrong. We've had more than 50 presidential elections without voter ID laws, not so sure why the Teabaggers are all in a huff to get them now they see their party slipping away

[justtitans]

Originally Posted by PhenomenalAJ

Wow yea, nothing foreigners put their main priorities on like voting in American elections, that one vote is going to bring down our system

If they benefit from American policy, why not? You don't think illegal immigrants benefit? What about the politicians that are trying to get them kicked out and take away their benefits? You don't think they would care about that?

Originally Posted by PhenomenalAJ

You have to be on the voter roll, if you just come in announcing your name is Klaxon from Mars and no name matches and you don't have a voting card, no good comes of it. The Constitution says you can't have a poll tax for good reason, it was used to suppress black votes all over the South.

So is obtaining an ID that is considered racist? Or the law? Because I don't think it's racist or oppressing to ask for ID when I withdraw MY MONEY from my bank account, but maybe you do? What about the right to bear arms? You need ID for that too, is that racist?

Originally Posted by PhenomenalAJ

That may be perfectly OK with you since it gets your boys in but that is morally wrong. We've had more than 50 presidential elections without voter ID laws, not so sure why the Teabaggers are all in a huff to get them now they see their party slipping away

I'm not a Republican. As a matter fact there are many people who support this law, that are actually Democrats. But imagine a parallel universe where people hold other people accountable for their actions instead of making excuses and these people aren't Republican. We call this planet Earth, that planet bipartisan, where you live and think that people are either black or white, hot or cold, they obvious never heard of anything outside of a Republican or a Democrat.

[InvaderBryce]

I just want to see the numbers and that's it.

[HandsUpThumbsDown]

Originally Posted by InvaderBryce

I just want to see the numbers and that's it.

Theres a reason pgtitans isn't providing them.

[PhenomenalAJ]

Originally Posted by pgtitans

If they benefit from American policy, why not? You don't think illegal immigrants benefit? What about the politicians that are trying to get them kicked out and take away their benefits? You don't think they would care about that?



So is obtaining an ID that is considered racist? Or the law? Because I don't think it's racist or oppressing to ask for ID when I withdraw MY MONEY from my bank account, but maybe you do? What about the right to bear arms? You need ID for that too, is that racist?



I'm not a Republican. As a matter fact there are many people who support this law, that are actually Democrats. But imagine a parallel universe where people hold other people accountable for their actions instead of making excuses and these people aren't Republican. We call this planet Earth, that planet bipartisan, where you live and think that people are either black or white, hot or cold, they obvious never heard of anything outside of a Republican or a Democrat.

The 24th Amendment came into being to fight explicit poll taxes that kept black people from voting in the South. You're calling for throwing out the Amendment, I'm not sure what other conclusion I should reach from that. Whether or not you want to call yourself a Republican, you're doing a good job carrying their water like a lot of the other right wingers who want to be cool and not call themselves Republicans because of its connotations.

I don't recall having a bank account being a constitutional "right", it is a service extended to you by the bank. You're making a ridiculous comparison in saying that voting should be held to the same standards of being able to open a bank account or enter a nightclub

I'm not sure where you get these bizarre conspiracy theories that all these illegal immigrants are voting. In your mind, voter suppression is OK as long as it takes care of a problem that doesn't even exist. You may disagree with me and most Americans that allowing every eligible American to vote takes priority over possible voter fraud but we have a Constitution to protect people from your vision of voting only for the privileged.

[justtitans]

Originally Posted by HandsUpThumbsDown

Theres a reason pgtitans isn't providing them.

Didn't you say you were done?

[justtitans]

Originally Posted by PhenomenalAJ

The 24th Amendment came into being to fight explicit poll taxes that kept black people from voting in the South. You're calling for throwing out the Amendment, I'm not sure what other conclusion I should reach from that. Whether or not you want to call yourself a Republican, you're doing a good job carrying their water like a lot of the other right wingers who want to be cool and not call themselves Republicans because of its connotations.

No I'm not, everything I said supports what is written. It's common sense. How do you know if someone is a US citizen or not? If you can provide an answer without using ID then you may have a legitimate rebuttal.

If you can prove who someone is without ID, it wouldn't be a point of having it.

Originally Posted by PhenomenalAJ

I don't recall having a bank account being a constitutional "right", it is a service extended to you by the bank. You're making a ridiculous comparison in saying that voting should be held to the same standards of being able to open a bank account or enter a nightclub

What about the point I made about a gun?

Is it oppressive to ask for ID to buy a gun?

Originally Posted by PhenomenalAJ

I'm not sure where you get these bizarre conspiracy theories that all these illegal immigrants are voting. In your mind, voter suppression is OK as long as it takes care of a problem that doesn't even exist. You may disagree with me and most Americans that allowing every eligible American to vote takes priority over possible voter fraud but we have a Constitution to protect people from your vision of voting only for the privileged.

I didn't say illegal immigrants are voting. You are putting words in my mouth. You suggested that they have no reason to vote here and I simply stated that there are many reasons why they would. Never said that they were or were not. How hard is that to understand?

Actually it's appearing that most Americans actually agree with me, and you clearly didn't read the article. 65 percent of the people they polled said they agreed with the law and those same people favored Obama by 11 percent.

You still aren't answering my question, how do you prove that someone is a citizen of the US? Where does it say it's okay to extend those American rights to non-Americans in that amendment?