03-25-2013, 02:01 PM
Location: It's in the name!
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First of all, the Eastern Shore and Western Maryland's economy would be better and they would contribute more if not for the business unfriendly and environmenta regulations passed by the state in order to satisfy the liberal elite in Montgomery County. Like the ban on any kind of population growth in rural areas through PlanMaryland and the septic tank laws, the ban on natural gas drilling and the restrictions against farming and fishing.
Who paid for the Bay Bridge? And why must the state's natural resources be consumed to sustain the rural parts of the county? What happens when those natural resources are all used up? Then what? How else will rural Maryland sustain itself?
03-25-2013, 02:06 PM
Location: Cumberland
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Do you think all taxes paid by counties/region's should stay in those region's? Be careful what you wish for. If Montgomery, Prince George's, Howard, Baltimore County, Baltimore City, Anne Arundel, and Frederick County all kept their taxes to themselves, do you have any idea how bad the eastern shore and western Maryland would fall off? Have you ever stopped to think about the amount of welfare money that has been and is being sent to rural counties for their roads, sewers, schools, electricity, etc. etc. etc. etc. They don't provide enough taxes to support their own counties. Never have...and never will. Same thing goes for every state in the nation.
Schools? You mean the one new high school built in our county since 1970? Well, wait, that is isn't entirely fair, we will getting our second new high school since the Nixon Administration in the next few years. On a side note, 4 public high schools up here have closed since 1999.
Sewers? You mean the mandatory septic upgrades our local juristictions, and residents, are forced to pay for via unfunded mandates? Our county is going into debt to make these upgrades. Trust me, you guys aren't doing us a favor.
Electricity? You have to explain this one to me.
On a side note, this "We are the voice of the new generation fixing our parent's mistakes," crap sounds like a Pepsi commercial, not a public policy statement. You can speak for yourself, but there are still many people that are going to live in rural areas because we have roots here. That isn't going to change. Some people are going to prioritize living outside the blast zone, regardless of cost. That isn't going to change.
What you are proposing is autocratic social engineering, pure and simple; the idea that you and your ilk know best and are going to economically and socially punish those that disagree with you by using the force of Government. Not my style of civic dialog or action.
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03-25-2013, 02:08 PM
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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adelphi_sky
Who paid for the Bay Bridge? And why must the state's natural resources be consumed to sustain the rural parts of the county? What happens when those natural resources are all used up? Then what? How else will rural Maryland sustain itself?
The Bay Bridge paid for itself through the tolls. The bridge has LONG been paid off but the tolls are kept to fund other facilities. The Bay Bridge was built by the transportation authority NO tax money went toward it. Montgomery County residents only paid for the bay bridge when they drive to their fancy condos and beach houses in Ocean City.
03-25-2013, 02:14 PM
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I'm all for paying for the stuff I use. But is the rest of the state prepared to do the same? Does anyone have a list of what the state pays for outside of the DC/Baltimore areas? What programs does the whole state pay for?
I wish I do, but I don't.
But O'Malley's hike in the gas tax is proof that the $860+mill reserved for the transportation fund is drying out thanks to him.
03-25-2013, 02:17 PM
Location: Cumberland
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Who paid for the Bay Bridge? And why must the state's natural resources be consumed to sustain the rural parts of the county? What happens when those natural resources are all used up? Then what? How else will rural Maryland sustain itself?
What good are natural resources sitting in the earth? You are using them right now as you read this post. Where do you think they came from?
Western Maryland has been mining coal since about 1840. We are still going. We haven't even touched our gas reserves yet. I don't know what the economy of my area will be like in 100 years......then again.......I don't know what the economy of your area will be like in 100 years either. I feel safe in saying we can make economic decisions without the surety of knowing whether or not they will still be viable in 2113.
03-25-2013, 02:28 PM
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Do you think all taxes paid by counties/region's should stay in those region's? Be careful what you wish for. If Montgomery, Prince George's, Howard, Baltimore County, Baltimore City, Anne Arundel, and Frederick County all kept their taxes to themselves, do you have any idea how bad the eastern shore and western Maryland would fall off? Have you ever stopped to think about the amount of welfare money that has been and is being sent to rural counties for their roads, sewers, schools, electricity, etc. etc. etc. etc. They don't provide enough taxes to support their own counties. Never have...and never will. Same thing goes for every state in the nation.
Are you blind? There is nothing really going on in the Eastern Shore and Western MD at the moment.
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adelphi_sky
Who paid for the Bay Bridge? And why must the state's natural resources be consumed to sustain the rural parts of the county? What happens when those natural resources are all used up? Then what? How else will rural Maryland sustain itself?
I don't think a region should be depend on 1 industry. It would be great to diversify industries but O'Malley would not approve of that.
03-25-2013, 02:43 PM
Location: Cumberland
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e30is
Are you blind? There is nothing really going on in the Eastern Shore and Western MD at the moment.
Thank you.
This specific piece of ignorance, that somehow Western Maryland is doing well enough to claim benefits from being a part of Maryland, continues to be trotted out.
There isn't anything going on up here. That is the complaint! Many of us feel strongly that reducing taxes and regulations could help kick start some population growth or economic development. As it stands, we are still losing residents, and falling further behind the state in median income.
I am not sure what anyone downstate thinks they are can hold over our head as a bludgeoning stick for being a disobediant minority region.
03-25-2013, 03:19 PM
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Easier said than, but difficult to accomplish especially when the road network in Maryland needs improvement too. New Jersey somehow came off better than Maryland when it comes to Transit Planning and upgradin their Highway Network such as Making the NJTPK 12-14 Lanes through Central and northern New Jersey........
Ah yes....I might aswell show off our plans....we tend to build projects together , rather then separate....so usually 2or 4 lines at the same time.
Northern Jersey Light Rail Northern Jersey Bus Rapid Transitways Northern Jersey Regional Rail Central Jersey Light Rail Central Jersey Bus Rapid Transitways Central Jersey Regional Rail South Jersey Light Rail South Jersey Bus Rapid Transitways South Jersey Regional Rail
03-25-2013, 03:28 PM
Location: Oceania
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This is all part of Agenda 21 - a UN based policy to shut down life as we know it. Google it; the key term to look for is "sustainability". High density population and no cars fits the recipe. Welcome to the Twilight Zone. Sounds melodramatic, right? Do some research and make up your own mind. Keep in mind one fact - those who make policy do so for their time - right now - and not necessarily for the future. As we know from the past, idiot laws and policies have been passed locally, statewide and nationwide that affect us to this day. It is true for every burg, county and state in the country.
Here is a tickler.
https://www.sodahead.com/living/has-...stion-2859699/
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03-25-2013, 03:44 PM
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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This is all part of Agenda 21 - a UN based policy to shut down life as we know it. Google it; the key term to look for is "sustainability". High density population and no cars fits the recipe. Welcome to the Twilight Zone. Sounds melodramatic, right? Do some research and make up your own mind. Keep in mind one fact - those who make policy do so for their time - right now - and not necessarily for the future. As we know from the past, idiot laws and policies have been passed locally, statewide and nationwide that affect us to this day. It is true for every burg, county and state in the country.
Here is a tickler.
https://www.sodahead.com/living/has-...stion-2859699/
LOL , we've had dense areas since the founding of this country....A21 is nothing more then a tea party obsession which is bizarre and has been laughed at in most of the Northeast which is already dense. The UN has very little to no power in the planning process ,90% of plans in the US involve the public...so their public ideas on bettering the town or business district... Cars are tied to Corporate monsters like big auto and Big oil which get billions in subsides each year and no one cries foul from the tea party , but when transit and anti-car measures get subsides the tea party cries foul....
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People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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