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I guess it depends on your definition or thought process about "suburb."
I don'e live in Annapolis but go there often, since I live in PG near the county line with AAC. I don't really think of Annapolis as a 'suburb' of Baltimore or DC. To my way of thinking...1) it's a little far to be a 'suburb' of either....2) has it's own identity.....3) doesn't really link ITSELF to DC or Baltimore. It's got it's own economy, shopping, identity (especially with the Naval Acad and being the state cap). etc.
Sure, I'd imagine a fair number of people from Annap commute to DC or Baltimore -- but I never get the sense people in Annapolis think of it as a 'suburb' of either.
Not to mention it has its own vibrant Downtown corridor.
New York City is part of a Tri-State region, does that mean that ALL of New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut are part of the Tri-State?
In Philly's case, does that mean ALL of Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Delaware is part of their Tri-State area? And since Cecil County is included in the Philly area, I guess that means ALL of Maryland is part of the Philadelphia "Tri-State" region doesn't it?
Look, if your jurisdiction is not connected to the WMATA Metro system (train and bus coverage), don't speak the accent/dialect and slang, have the same state of mind, indulge in the local culture, vibe with GoGo (the music, dance moves, history, culture), have the primary area codes (202, 301/240, 703, etc.), wear the fashion, food (seafood is not enough to qualify), accept DC as 'The City', and/or aren't even considered part of the MSA, you are not part of the DMV. I don't care where in Maryland or Virginia you are, if your not any of the aforementioned then I'm sorry but you're not part of the DMV. Period.
Richmond is NOT part of the DMV.
The 757 is NOT part of the DMV.
Annapolis is NOT part of the DMV.
Baltimore sure as hell is NOT part of the DMV no matter how much they wanna claim.
Suburban Baltimore is NOT part of the DMV.
None of the aforementioned places give me a DMV vibe whenever I'm there. I obviously get that vibe here in PG County and over in DC itself as well as in MoCo, Charles County, Northern VA, and even Frederick and Calvert County to some extent.
It's not that hard.
And how your gonna say Baltimore doesn't affiliate with the DMV but claim that it's included? Not a good argument case.
I think DMV culture is infiltrating AA and Howard counties as well. Places like Severn, Odenton, Arundel Mills area, Columbia, and Laurel (AA and Howard co sections) have a lot of former DC and PG county residents living there, I have a lot of fam up there and visit often.
I think DMV culture is infiltrating AA and Howard counties as well. Places like Severn, Odenton, Arundel Mills area, Columbia, and Laurel (AA and Howard co sections) have a lot of former DC and PG county residents living there, I have a lot of fam up there and visit often.
Agreed, even Waldorf, Crofton and Davidsonville have a DMV vibe.
Sure, if you're in a Baltimore suburb. But the default is going to be DC when you're talking about the DMV region as a whole. DC is the cultural, economic, and roughly geographic center of the region. It's now widely considered a world-class city and is the capital of greatest superpower in human history, so, yeah, it's what most people in the DMV are going think of when talking about "the city."
This isn't exactly true. I live in Howard County and when people out here say "in town", they're talking about Baltimore. DC and its suburbs are a world apart from Baltimore and its suburbs. When you tell someone in DC or Montgomery County that you live in Columbia, they all say "that's far away" like it's 200 miles away or something.
DC and its suburbs are very different from Baltimore and its suburbs in culture. The Baltimore region has a completely different accent entirely. As soon as you cross from Montgomery into Howard County, you will hear lifelong residents speaking in some variation of the distinctive Baltimorese accent. White people in the DC area lack a strong regional accent. Baltimore and DC don't like each other and don't root for each other's teams. Baltimore and it's suburbs are Ravens/Orioles territory and DC is Redskins/Nationals territory, by in large. Some lifelong Baltimore suburban residents root for the Redskins only because Baltimore didn't have a football team for many years in the early 90's.
Baltimore has strong working class roots. In the DC area, white people are homogenous in being college educated, white collar, upper middle class and wealthy. White people with working class roots in the Baltimore area don't even know the entire DC metro area exists. The center of their world is in Baltimore city, Baltimore County and Howard County or "Hard Canny" as its pronounced in true Baltimorese. Similarly, upper middle class whites from the DC area don't go to Baltimore unless they are going to Johns Hopkins for school or they are heroin addicts.
Black Baltimoreans and black DC natives hate each other with a passion. Native black Baltimore culture couldn't be more different than native black DC culture. Black Baltimore culture is about Club music, half-'n-half ice tea/lemonades, chicken boxes, hack cabs, blue police lights atop street signs. Black DC is about Go-Go music, Helly Hansen jackets, local clothing brands like Solbiato, Mambo sauce and calling everyone a "bama". These local black cultures from Baltimore and DC bleed out into their suburbs. You won't hear too much Go-Go north of Laurel and you won't hear Baltimore Club music south of Columbia.
DC and its suburbs are much more pretentious than Baltimore and its suburbs regardless of income, education and wealth. In DC and its suburbs, people want to know your dating profile stats up front. That is, in DC and its suburbs, everyone will ask you "what do you?", "where did you go to school?" and "where do you live?" before they decide to talk to you at any length. In Howard County, you have tons of people with money, but you would never know it because these people don't feel the need to brag about their boring jobs or where they went to school 10, 20, 30 years ago. In the DC area, you have 45 year olds with the symbols of their old college fraternity framing their license plate. Really?
So, no, many people in Baltimore's suburbs don't think of DC as being "the city". Long-time residents remember murder capital era DC. Back then, you didn't go into DC unless it was an absolute necessity. Some Maryland residents outside of the reaches of the DC metro haven't gotten the memo that DC is so much more gentrified. Y'know, since DC is so "far away" from Baltimore to many people out here. And many people who live closer to Baltimore who have become familiar with the new gentrified DC and aren't impressed with transplants from nowhere towns in the Midwest thinking they are the most important people on earth just because they are gentrifying DC.
DC can't hold a candle to NYC in terms of culture, vibe of life or excitement. Even Philly beats DC in that category, in my opinion. DC is much like any American capital city from Sacramento, CA to Albany, NY; it's not the real cultural center of anything. In terms of culture, what is DC the capital of? Go-Go music? Helly Hansen jackets? Pretentiousness? Extreme small town provincialism amongst native blacks in a major city? $30K a year millionaires who try to pop bottles in struggle DC nightclubs like P. Diddy? Please...
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This isn't exactly true. I live in Howard County and when people out here say "in town", they're talking about Baltimore. DC and its suburbs are a world apart from Baltimore and its suburbs. When you tell someone in DC or Montgomery County that you live in Columbia, they all say "that's far away" like it's 200 miles away or something.
DC and its suburbs are very different from Baltimore and its suburbs in culture. The Baltimore region has a completely different accent entirely. As soon as you cross from Montgomery into Howard County, you will hear lifelong residents speaking in some variation of the distinctive Baltimorese accent. White people in the DC area lack a strong regional accent. Baltimore and DC don't like each other and don't root for each other's teams. Baltimore and it's suburbs are Ravens/Orioles territory and DC is Redskins/Nationals territory, by in large. Some lifelong Baltimore suburban residents root for the Redskins only because Baltimore didn't have a football team for many years in the early 90's.
Baltimore has strong working class roots. In the DC area, white people are homogenous in being college educated, white collar, upper middle class and wealthy. White people with working class roots in the Baltimore area don't even know the entire DC metro area exists. The center of their world is in Baltimore city, Baltimore County and Howard County or "Hard Canny" as its pronounced in true Baltimorese. Similarly, upper middle class whites from the DC area don't go to Baltimore unless they are going to Johns Hopkins for school or they are heroin addicts.
Black Baltimoreans and black DC natives hate each other with a passion. Native black Baltimore culture couldn't be more different than native black DC culture. Black Baltimore culture is about Club music, half-'n-half ice tea/lemonades, chicken boxes, hack cabs, blue police lights atop street signs. Black DC is about Go-Go music, Helly Hansen jackets, local clothing brands like Solbiato, Mambo sauce and calling everyone a "bama". These local black cultures from Baltimore and DC bleed out into their suburbs. You won't hear too much Go-Go north of Laurel and you won't hear Baltimore Club music south of Columbia.
DC and its suburbs are much more pretentious than Baltimore and its suburbs regardless of income, education and wealth. In DC and its suburbs, people want to know your dating profile stats up front. That is, in DC and its suburbs, everyone will ask you "what do you?", "where did you go to school?" and "where do you live?" before they decide to talk to you at any length. In Howard County, you have tons of people with money, but you would never know it because these people don't feel the need to brag about their boring jobs or where they went to school 10, 20, 30 years ago. In the DC area, you have 45 year olds with the symbols of their old college fraternity framing their license plate. Really?
So, no, many people in Baltimore's suburbs don't think of DC as being "the city". Long-time residents remember murder capital era DC. Back then, you didn't go into DC unless it was an absolute necessity. Some Maryland residents outside of the reaches of the DC metro haven't gotten the memo that DC is so much more gentrified. Y'know, since DC is so "far away" from Baltimore to many people out here. And many people who live closer to Baltimore who have become familiar with the new gentrified DC and aren't impressed with transplants from nowhere towns in the Midwest thinking they are the most important people on earth just because they are gentrifying DC.
DC can't hold a candle to NYC in terms of culture, vibe of life or excitement. Even Philly beats DC in that category, in my opinion. DC is much like any American capital city from Sacramento, CA to Albany, NY; it's not the real cultural center of anything. In terms of culture, what is DC the capital of? Go-Go music? Helly Hansen jackets? Pretentiousness? Extreme small town provincialism amongst native blacks in a major city? $30K a year millionaires who try to pop bottles in struggle DC nightclubs like P. Diddy? Please...
In the DMV, DC is what's referred to as the "city". Period. Not talking about NY and Philly. Not talking about if you like Baltimore or hate DC. Please stop comparing these two cities. The OP asked in the DMV region what is considered the "city".
The hate for DC constantly on this forum is comical. I get that you love Baltimore but it is what it is. This is not the "I Hate DC" forum.
Well, for one thing, I've never heard a local refer to D.C. as "the city." I've always heard it referred to as "the District." As in, "I'm going into the District for the day, to the Folk Life Festival on the Mall."
Which means Washington, D.C., proper.
Then you have the DMV, which includes everything inside the Beltway plus the first layer or two of counties surrounding it. The DMV is basically everything newscasters cover when they forecast the weather for the morning/evening commutes into the District.
DC can't hold a candle to NYC in terms of culture, vibe of life or excitement. Even Philly beats DC in that category, in my opinion. DC is much like any American capital city from Sacramento, CA to Albany, NY; it's not the real cultural center of anything. In terms of culture, what is DC the capital of? Go-Go music? Helly Hansen jackets? Pretentiousness? Extreme small town provincialism amongst native blacks in a major city? $30K a year millionaires who try to pop bottles in struggle DC nightclubs like P. Diddy? Please...
Do you even DC?
Seriously, you are talking out your backside here. I wonder if you've ever even been inside the Beltway. If you have, you must not be very well-connected.
Look, New York smells like pee. It's gross. Just gross. By the time I got to work in the morning, I felt like I had three inches of grime trapped in my pores. New York has its good points if you're into things like theater and standing on line in front of a velvet rope. It also has some fantastic dining (if you can afford it), is rich with ethnic traditions (if you ignore the thugs flying gang colors at events like the feast of San Gennaro), and has a good, well-planned subway system (if you don't mind revolting odors and rats the size of Chihuahuas). Bird-watching in Central Park during migration is a lot of fun.
But other than that, New York is filthy, several of its museums are ridiculously out-of-date, it's being overrun with smelly hipsters, and the cops are turning into whiny, crybaby aholes. It's not even what it was 10 years ago. Everyone I know who has visited or lived in New York, left, and then come back to visit recently tells me the same thing: Manhattan has gone flat. It lost a lot of its flavor during and after the recession as the divide between rich and poor widened. Brooklyn isn't a helluva lot better. Queens isn't bad, but what else do you have? The Bronx? No thanks. Staten Island? Oh, yeah, those Mob Wives are real haute. So is the dump.
As far as culture, considering our national treasures are housed in D.C., you might want to rethink your statements. Same goes for the Kennedy Center and all the above-grown institutions. That you aren't plugged into the right networks for the rest is no one's fault but your own.
Oh, and one more thing: People who live in the D.C. area are among the happiest and healthiest in the nation. It's a walk-friendly area, many of the employers there are fine with telecommuting, and most of the people who live there enjoy it, especially if they live near a Metro and don't have to deal with the traffic.
If you want to go around thumping your chest like a rude New Yorker, you go right ahead. But take it from someone who was born and raised in the New York area: The Big Apple is grossly overrated.
Well, for one thing, I've never heard a local refer to D.C. as "the city." I've always heard it referred to as "the District." As in, "I'm going into the District for the day, to the Folk Life Festival on the Mall."
Which means Washington, D.C., proper.
Then you have the DMV, which includes everything inside the Beltway plus the first layer or two of counties surrounding it. The DMV is basically everything newscasters cover when they forecast the weather for the morning/evening commutes into the District.
I live mere miles from the city line, prior to that I lived in Charles county...I worked in DC and always called it downtown. I do to this day.
Why? There is only one city 50 miles from anywhere I have lived in MD.
Seriously, you are talking out your backside here. I wonder if you've ever even been inside the Beltway. If you have, you must not be very well-connected.
Look, New York smells like pee. It's gross. Just gross. By the time I got to work in the morning, I felt like I had three inches of grime trapped in my pores. New York has its good points if you're into things like theater and standing on line in front of a velvet rope. It also has some fantastic dining (if you can afford it), is rich with ethnic traditions (if you ignore the thugs flying gang colors at events like the feast of San Gennaro), and has a good, well-planned subway system (if you don't mind revolting odors and rats the size of Chihuahuas). Bird-watching in Central Park during migration is a lot of fun.
But other than that, New York is filthy, several of its museums are ridiculously out-of-date, it's being overrun with smelly hipsters, and the cops are turning into whiny, crybaby aholes. It's not even what it was 10 years ago. Everyone I know who has visited or lived in New York, left, and then come back to visit recently tells me the same thing: Manhattan has gone flat. It lost a lot of its flavor during and after the recession as the divide between rich and poor widened. Brooklyn isn't a helluva lot better. Queens isn't bad, but what else do you have? The Bronx? No thanks. Staten Island? Oh, yeah, those Mob Wives are real haute. So is the dump.
As far as culture, considering our national treasures are housed in D.C., you might want to rethink your statements. Same goes for the Kennedy Center and all the above-grown institutions. That you aren't plugged into the right networks for the rest is no one's fault but your own.
Oh, and one more thing: People who live in the D.C. area are among the happiest and healthiest in the nation. It's a walk-friendly area, many of the employers there are fine with telecommuting, and most of the people who live there enjoy it, especially if they live near a Metro and don't have to deal with the traffic.
If you want to go around thumping your chest like a rude New Yorker, you go right ahead. But take it from someone who was born and raised in the New York area: The Big Apple is grossly overrated.
One of the things that I find funny the most from one of his recent posts is that he thinks people in the DC region are "ugly" or some other garbage. I find that interesting for someone from the damn Bay Area of all places to make such a statement LOL. The only people on the "attractive scale" from the Bay Area that can even hold a candle to DMV women are the Asian and Mixed Race residents. Other than that, it's a big drop from there on out....I'd prefer to live in either DC or New York over San Francisco alone.
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