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Old 03-02-2016, 08:37 PM
 
Location: DC
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2022 is the completion date. A company has been chosen. Much rejoicing.
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Old 03-05-2016, 06:31 PM
 
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Sweet !!

The DC area has a disfunctional mass transit system that is rapidly losing ridership and.......instead of fixing that we are pouring money into an unneeded light rail line that mirrors existing roads and would be FAR cheaper served by bus lines.

Just another example of wasteful spending and politicians selling out in order to suck at the teat of federal spending.


FIX THE PATHETIC EXISTING LINES FIRST !!
Huh? MTA and WMATA aren't the same thing and whether this project proceeds or not has no impact on WMATA's dysfunction. You conflating two different systems in two different jurisdictions run by two different entities. You're comparing apples and pianos.
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Old 03-05-2016, 08:56 PM
 
Location: It's in the name!
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Yeah, I can't wait either;

Being able to pay a certain-to-be overpriced fare to travel at a top speed of 17 mph right next to existing road ways will really make a difference in a lot of people's lives !!


Wait, though - one will be able to (pay to) take the Purple Line and then connect near the top of either Red Line and pay an over-priced (during rush hour, anyways) fare to spend (waste) inordinate time on the grossly disfunctional current Metro to get into DC and likely (wait around, then) connect with another line........probably netting 1 to 1.5 hour commutes for anyone that starts on the Purple Line.

Yes, this will certainly induce a lot of people to park their cars and take mass transit. $5 rush-hour fares for each leg of Metro, and probably $3 fares to ride the slow Purple Line.

Just $16 for a work commute that will likely approach taking half an hour more than driving for many and will cost more than DC parking. Should be lots of people lining up for that !! LOL.

What's funny is none of your statements are based on fact.
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Old 03-06-2016, 12:01 AM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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Sweet !!

The DC area has a disfunctional mass transit system that is rapidly losing ridership and.......instead of fixing that we are pouring money into an unneeded light rail line that mirrors existing roads and would be FAR cheaper served by bus lines.

Just another example of wasteful spending and politicians selling out in order to suck at the teat of federal spending.


FIX THE PATHETIC EXISTING LINES FIRST !!



Edit : Thread should be renamed the Wasteful Purple Line thread. Oh wait.....we're gonna get a few thousand temporary construction jobs for our 2.5 billion dollars (before cost over-runs).
*Scratches head* What? This is the Purple Line, not Metro. WMATA is an entirely separate agency that has its own board of supervisors to get itself under control. The board consists of representatives from DC, VA, as well as Maryland, who all need to fix WMATA's transportation issues from within. But this is completely unrelated to the Purple Line in terms of operations or management. Only there will be four stations of the 21 on purple line where they meet the Metro. Your post should be renamed the "Wasteful Post.
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Old 03-06-2016, 08:03 AM
 
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Exciting, more transit options for those that don't need it. What about Southern MD?
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Old 03-06-2016, 08:41 AM
 
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I don't even care about that stuff. I can simply point out a number of other areas with a greater need for this sort of transportation investment.
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Old 03-06-2016, 09:06 AM
 
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Bingo.

The Purple Line will travel at 17 mph, which doesn't include stoppage time. This is slower than the average bus travel speed for that part of the county, and slower than auto travel time even with our crummy traffic gridlock.

So who is going to pay a fare that will probably be about $3 just to connect at the very top of existing Metro lines which are plagued with incompetence and are losing ridership at an astounding pace, rather than simply drive ?


Governor Hogan knew all along this project was a wasteful abomination. He just did what every politician does; sell out if he's able to get the federal government to contribute a significant portion of the unnecessary and wasteful costs.

But we all pat ourselves on the back that we're embarking on this boondoggle instead of addressing currently disastrous rail deficiencies ?
We get it. You don't think a new transit line will improve transit accessibility. You think MTA bidding out a light rail line and WMATA getting their heavy rail act together are somehow mutually exclusive just because they both have "rail" somewhere in their job description and are from generally the same region. The rest of us think that makes no sense. Let's all move on with our lives.
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Old 03-06-2016, 09:14 AM
 
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I thought that was already completed. With construction starting in less than 8 months it's a little late to not have all affected properties accounted for and resolved. Even the large office building in Bethesda has been resolved and well be torn down as a result. Who else would be left at this late stage in the process? Wouldn't those still holding out be in danger of eminent domain or a bare minimum offer?
I am not sure. I heard there were a few holdouts.Yeah they would be in danger of eminent domain but I have seen that happen before so it wouldn't be a surprise.
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Old 03-06-2016, 09:44 AM
 
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Correct.

Even with the laughably low (pre-overrun) current cost estimates for the Purple Line, the state of Maryland will have to make an annual payment to the private partner of an estimated $60-80 million per year. For decades.

Apparently you think that that in no way will impact Maryland helping WMATA "get their heavy rail act together." Perhaps you think Maryland will, over the next few decades, simply shake their money tree and make additional funding for WMATA appear while they are paying down the wasteful Purple Line ?

Genius, sir !!! But it seems pretty apparent what......."makes no sense."
Again, your entire argument and association of the two completely different forms of transportation under completely different managing authorities literally makes no sense. WMATA's Metro and MTA's light rail (whether the MoCo or Balt. system) have nothing to do with each other. You pretending otherwise doesn't change reality. If you're against all transportation investment until WMATA gets more $$ then fine, but singling out the Purple Line as somehow being the project that steals WMATA funding is idiotic. As you've already said, the majority of $$ for the Purple Line is coming from federal and county funding. That $$ wouldn't magically find its ways into WMATA coffers if the Purple Line wasn't built.
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Old 03-06-2016, 10:35 AM
 
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No, what "literally makes no sense" is your inability to recognize that with major funding needed to improve existing rail lines.......Maryland will be tremendously unlikely to be able to do their part to contribute when they have to annually pay $60-80 million for decades to a private partner for the Purple Line.




LMAO !! When the Purple Line most definitely is the project that will be using (or in your terms "stealing") funding from Maryland.........the only thing that is "idiotic" is your refusal to recognize that that will impact Maryland increasing funding for WMATA.




I think it's time you learned more about that which you erroneously comment on; Roughly half of the funding will come from the counties and feds. To call that a "majority" is laughable. This is before cost over-runs, of course, which will amount to approximately 30% on the Silver Line by its completion. Who's gonna pay for those, by the way ?

The single largest funder of the Purple Line will be the private partner. I know people like you pretend that that is somehow some kind of magic free money, but the state of Maryland will have to make huge annual payments on that. In addition to paying the private partner to run the system, they will also essentially be paying down a loan of about $1 billion. Before cost over-runs. For DECADES.

And no, that money wouldn't magically find its way into WMATA coffers. But to think that it won't have a huge negative impact on Maryland's ability to increase funding for WMATA would be.......to use one of your terms........"idiotic."
The fact half your argument relies on imaginary cost overruns and the other half relies on imaginary WMATA funding increases says a lot.
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