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Old 10-25-2016, 09:23 AM
 
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You can complain all you want but VA does make sense.What FBI Academy at Maryland sometimes the stuff you make up is amazing. There are plains but nothing yet.

Universities to sweeten the pot for FBI headquarters in Maryland with new national security academy - Baltimore Sun
Why do you say Springfield makes sense and that's a serious question? I am curious because I hear a lot of people saying the same but it doesn't make sense to me. Other than being near the FBI Academy at Quantico, 95/495, and the Franconia-Springfield Metro/VRE station there doesn't seem to be any other reason why.

An FBI at Greenbelt would be directly on Metro (Green line and Yellow line during rush hour) and MARC Camden line with a connection to Baltimore another large population center, and off of 495/95 too and the BW Parkway. The Greenbelt station would be one stop down from the Purple Line in College Park which would connect Bethesda, Silver Spring, and New Carrollton (with connections to the Orange Line/Northeast Corridor line with Amtrak and MARC Penn line trains). The FBI mission is changing as far as dealing with more high tech and more sophisticated crimes like terrorism & cyber attacks, so why wouldn't you want to be near major institutes of higher learning like UMD which has Cyber Security and Forensics programs?

The Greenbelt site (as far as I've seen anyway) is the only one with a mixed use development (with additional office space, apartments, and a hotel) next to the site. It is much cheaper to develop, as the Springfield site would require relocating the existing GSA warehouse off-site and also cleaning up the site. That could also trigger more delays as they would need to another environmental study.

There is also a strong argument to be made like adelphi_sky mentioned, why keep putting everything in NoVa and having a lopsided commuting pattern in the region? The Springfield/Alexandria areas have already benefited from more Fed jobs through BRAC recently with the new National Geospatial Intelligence Agency campus in Springfield (16,000 jobs) and the Mark Center in Alexandria. That puts more strain on roads and further increases traffic. Putting a major employment center on the Eastern side of the Metro area would help balance out traffic.

I just don't see valid reasons why Springfield would be picked over Greenbelt other than politics.

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Old 10-25-2016, 11:27 AM
 
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You can complain all you want but VA does make sense.What FBI Academy at Maryland sometimes the stuff you make up is amazing. There are plains but nothing yet.

Universities to sweeten the pot for FBI headquarters in Maryland with new national security academy - Baltimore Sun
The partnership for the academy was announced and not "launched." Does that sound better? Still doesn't make a difference. The National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START) already exists at the UMD. This new academy will just build on that program with UMB's school of law, medicine and business. START didn't need the FBI in Greenbelt when it was created, neither will this academy. What I get is that the FBI could use this academy and not the other way around. And it will be in MARYLAND and not Virginia.

It was announced, in part, as the Baltimore Sun article says, to lure the FBI. It was never dependent on the location of the FBI. The partnership will move forward even if the FBI is in Virginia. But the point was that it strengthens Greenbelt's case do to Greenbelt being in close proximity to College Park where these programs are being clustered.

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Joined by University System Chancellor Robert Caret and House Speaker Michael E. Busch, national security experts, higher education officials, and local elected leaders, Presidents Perman and Loh put forth a vision for a strategic national security partnership that will harmonize UMB and UMCP’s relevant capabilities in terrorism and counterterrorism studies, intelligence analysis, cybersecurity and high performance computing, criminology and criminal justice, homeland security law, and crisis management. The Maryland Academy would be located on the University of Maryland’s College Park campus, and build on existing programs at UMCP and UMB, such as the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START), the Maryland Cybersecurity Center (MC2), the Center for the Advanced Study of Language (CASL), and the Schools of Law, Medicine and Business.

“This national security partnership to establish the Maryland Academy for Innovation in National Security would provide the world’s preeminent law enforcement organization with a continuous pipeline of pioneering research and access to a world-class regional workforce,” said President Wallace Loh. “This is an exciting joint initiative that leverages our collective research and talent in an effort to help foster continuous innovation at the FBI.”
http://www.umdrightnow.umd.edu/news/...ation-national

Nowhere did it say the academy was contingent upon the FBI locating in Greenbelt.
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Old 10-25-2016, 02:19 PM
 
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Its not too odd. Federal procurement can be tricky. Especially if there is a lot of money on the line. From an acquisition standpoint the decision has to be clear and indisputable to avoid/minimize the award being contested. If one of the non-competitive bids decide to contest (which they probably will), the contracting officer will have to be prepared to potentially defend the award in court. If negotiations are complex or the bidders are asking for more time then the award can justifiably be delayed.
Ok I see, good to know. I wonder what will be really the ultimate deciding factor?

Northern Virginia officials worry CIA facility may scuttle bid to land FBI headquarters

Came across this old article today, seems like there is more at that Springfield site than just a "warehouse".
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Old 11-09-2016, 05:57 AM
 
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"Delaying until 2017 also means any decision will take place when a new president in office, and that could add its own intrigue. Hillary Clinton, for instance, counts Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe (D) as a close confidant, and her vice presidential nominee is current Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine (D)."
I know it's pointless to speculate, but it doesn't look so good for Landover and Greenbelt. I hope reason trumps politics (no pun intended); I think both MD locations have far more advantages than Springfield.
Well this speculation won't come true. But something else to speculate on...what if the Trump administration chooses Springfield as a way to get back at Hogan for publicly stating he didn't like and would not vote for Trump?
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Old 11-09-2016, 07:03 AM
 
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Well this speculation won't come true. But something else to speculate on...what if the Trump administration chooses Springfield as a way to get back at Hogan for publicly stating he didn't like and would not vote for Trump?
That's not how the GSA works.
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Old 11-09-2016, 09:15 AM
 
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That's not how the GSA works.
True, the only way that Trump's administration (or any other for that matter) could influence the competition would be to cancel the current competition and redefine the requirements to exclude those jurisdictions. That would be a stretch given the federal acquisition regulations (FAR). As noted previously the delay was due to the complexity of the responses to the solicitation. That process can take a long time.
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Old 11-09-2016, 10:07 AM
 
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Another perspective on the impending FBI HQ. If he is thinking of exacting revenge on those republicans that opposed him he is going to have a long list to go through and hope that those actions don't block any of the items on his agenda. Business is different from politics and requires a different touch.

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The GSA has since delayed an FBI decision until 2017, citing a "strong and overwhelmingly positive response" from developers.

If the process is in fact politics-free, then the fact that Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan, a Republican, did not vote for Trump — he wrote in his father’s name— won’t matter. But Politico reported Wednesday that some notable Trump supporters are already thinking revenge against the Republicans who didn’t back him.
http://www.bizjournals.com/washingto...t-the-fbi.html
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Old 11-09-2016, 10:14 AM
 
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Another perspective on the impending FBI HQ. If he is thinking of exacting revenge on those republicans that opposed him he is going to have a long list to go through and hope that those actions don't block any of the items on his agenda. Business is different from politics and requires a different touch.



http://www.bizjournals.com/washingto...t-the-fbi.html
Well, what's he going to do because Fairfax voted for Clinton and the state of VA went for Clinton. Is it punish the Dems but punish the Repubs worse? Meh? The entire DMV (Beltway communities and DC) went to Clinton. I still think Greenbelt gets the nod. Springfield has issues. Kaine campaigned against Trump. If anything, I think the Repubs would do a big FU to Kaine and the state of VA and send the FBI to MD. IF they had the power to do so. Which they really don't. It's up to the GSA.
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Old 11-09-2016, 10:34 AM
 
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Another perspective on the impending FBI HQ. If he is thinking of exacting revenge on those republicans that opposed him he is going to have a long list to go through and hope that those actions don't block any of the items on his agenda. Business is different from politics and requires a different touch.



http://www.bizjournals.com/washingto...t-the-fbi.html
And this is exactly what I was afraid of about him and his administration...going after those high ranking republicans who didn't support him or abandoned him. Who knows to what extent they'd go to exact revenge. Though Hogan is well liked in the state so maybe he will be spared for the good of the party with the hope that he can get re-elected in a few years. Also it may help that Hogan has close ties to Chris Christie who is close to Trump.
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Old 11-09-2016, 10:44 AM
 
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And this is exactly what I was afraid of about him and his administration...going after those high ranking republicans who didn't support him or abandoned him. Who knows to what extent they'd go to exact revenge. Though Hogan is well liked in the state so maybe he will be spared for the good of the party with the hope that he can get re-elected in a few years. Also it may help that Hogan has close ties to Chris Christie who is close to Trump.
In all likelihood, the FBI relocation is way down on the list of things to care about for the Trump admin. They have their 90-day list and the FBI isn't on it. The FBI is a local fight and not on the national radar.
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