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Old 05-09-2016, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Washington DC (Gensokyo District)
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Anyone who attributes metro's issues with race is a damn idiot plain and simple. If you want to see equal incompetence of an agency that's run up at the top by whites, then look no further than the TSA.

 
Old 05-09-2016, 06:02 PM
 
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Yea, but any time anything is anything close to "97% non-Hispanic white", people are up in arms about the lack of diversity, despite how successful it is.

Look at the latest Silicon Valley uproar over the lack of diversity. Despite how successful Silicon Valley is, complaints and more complaints despite the meritocracy of the area; oh wait, it is never meritocracy when whites are involved, just white privilege.

So we have Metro, an organization that is disproportionately black, yet no one is even allowed to approach the subject of disparity in hiring. "Blacks" is blamed for Metro issues because the perception, and most likely fact if ever investigated, that many black employees were hired on the basis of race, not merit, not that they were the best person for the job.

I assure you, if Metro was 97% white, the EEOC and DOJ would have investigated a long time ago. If Metro was 97% white, the media and everyone would be jumping on this fact and stating because of its hiring policies, this is why the Metro has such issues.
Metro has a lot of black employees, however its board is diverse:


Metro - About Metro - General Manager

Metro - About Metro - Board of Directors
 
Old 05-09-2016, 07:19 PM
 
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Metro has a lot of black employees, however its board is diverse:


Metro - About Metro - General Manager

Metro - About Metro - Board of Directors
Diverse? I don't see any Hispanic or Asian, do you?
 
Old 05-09-2016, 11:53 PM
 
Location: east coast
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People blaming Metro's failure on "blacks" are too stupid for words. It is a ludicrous thing to say because it implies that being black leads a person to have certain inherent personality characteristics which is 100% false proven by science.

So the short answer is the question is idiotic.
Your job now is to find sources that directly oppose your own findings. If I can't say your sources are incorrect, you can't say my sources are incorrect. But because we are blinded by our own biases, we will always take our own sides...

Blacks do have inherent characteristics traits just as Asians, Latinos, and Russians. It's called culture. Many of these inherent characteristics are indeed damaging to the black communities. Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome is real. So unless you understand pathology, mental health, IQ and have studied black culture, I would stay away from this one. Just stay away...

The problem with a 97% all black work force is that there undoubtedly will be a lack of resources and continuing education provided to these workers. Blacks today are a permanent underclass and is considered to be 4th class citizens as result of the influx of Asian, Hispanic, and now Indian immigrants combining their political and economic resources. Blacks are no better off in terms of owning and controlling anything in America than they were in 1860.

Hispanics surpass blacks to become largest minority in more than half metro areas in U.S. | Daily Mail Online.

Indians Now Third-largest Immigrant Group in U.S. - New America Media

There are many reasons for the black economic status but primarily, black neighborhoods are not known for fostering science and technology due to the lack of fundamental resources. In 2010, black men represented only 3% of science and engineer occupations. Whites occupied 51%.

Colorblind Ideology Is a Form of Racism - A colorblind approach allows us to deny uncomfortable cultural differences.

The alternative to colorblindness is multiculturalism, an ideology that acknowledges, highlights, and celebrates ethno-racial differences. It recognizes that each tradition has something valuable to offer. It is not afraid to see how others have suffered as a result of racial conflict or differences.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...is-form-racism

White folks will constantly claim that blacks have just as the same opportunities as everyone else. But do the math, what do blacks own and control in America that will change the lives of the youth compared to hispanics, indians, asians, and whites?
 
Old 05-10-2016, 12:02 AM
 
Location: east coast
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This is for anyone that thinks that all these black workers were afforded the same resources and training as if it were majority white. Unless you have lived or truly understand the black experience with regards to racial inequality, just stay away.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V13nqzefyoE
 
Old 05-10-2016, 12:26 AM
 
Location: east coast
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Listen,

While the institution of inequality and lack of education from the grass roots level does play a major role in all of this, the situation is compounded by when you have the aforementioned clunked together working for the government and or city. Apathy breeds contempt and the system then becomes a hell hole. This is partly why no white person wants to apply even though some employees are making over $200k.

Racial supremacy and or prejudice exists when there are numbers and intent. If you are a white person part of an all black workforce, there is a great possibility that you will be subject to racial and cultural supremacy- not necessarily oppression. Just the mere fact of there being a lack of diversity increases the likelihood of racial discrimination. White people- or any sane person for that matter in this case, understands this.

I as a black man of Caribbean ancestry, I would never subject myself or my mixed children (mother is Russian) to a majority white, Asian, or Hispanic workforce, neighborhood, school, or otherwise. The more layers of decision making diversity, the less exposure to racial or cultural supremacy- regardless of the intent to discriminate.
 
Old 05-10-2016, 12:38 AM
 
Location: east coast
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Again, apathy breeds contempt- no matter what race or culture. And as a result, minimal resources will be afforded to the below environment. Ask any city official who works for the less than fortunate communities, to include police and fire rescue. They will all tell you that the city managers and officials are just as apathetic and corrupt as the local street thugs...

"There appears to be an entrenched network of African-American employees at WMATA that is able to steer jobs, promotion, training and other career enhancing benefit to persons of their own racial or ethnic group.”

The system does have a “civil rights” office that hears discrimination complaints, but it too lacks racial diversity because all 17 employees running it are black. White and Hispanic transit workers who have reported discrimination have encountered a “deaf ear at Metro’s civil rights office,” the article states.
 
Old 05-10-2016, 07:11 AM
 
Location: DC
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DC Metro's failure are clearly a Board of Directors level failure to secure sufficient funding to maintain the system. Top management, was also complicit in the failure.
 
Old 05-10-2016, 08:18 AM
 
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Your job now is to find sources that directly oppose your own findings. If I can't say your sources are incorrect, you can't say my sources are incorrect. But because we are blinded by our own biases, we will always take our own sides...

Blacks do have inherent characteristics traits just as Asians, Latinos, and Russians. It's called culture. Many of these inherent characteristics are indeed damaging to the black communities. Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome is real. So unless you understand pathology, mental health, IQ and have studied black culture, I would stay away from this one. Just stay away...

The problem with a 97% all black work force is that there undoubtedly will be a lack of resources and continuing education provided to these workers. Blacks today are a permanent underclass and is considered to be 4th class citizens as result of the influx of Asian, Hispanic, and now Indian immigrants combining their political and economic resources. Blacks are no better off in terms of owning and controlling anything in America than they were in 1860.

Hispanics surpass blacks to become largest minority in more than half metro areas in U.S. | Daily Mail Online.

Indians Now Third-largest Immigrant Group in U.S. - New America Media

There are many reasons for the black economic status but primarily, black neighborhoods are not known for fostering science and technology due to the lack of fundamental resources. In 2010, black men represented only 3% of science and engineer occupations. Whites occupied 51%.

Colorblind Ideology Is a Form of Racism - A colorblind approach allows us to deny uncomfortable cultural differences.

The alternative to colorblindness is multiculturalism, an ideology that acknowledges, highlights, and celebrates ethno-racial differences. It recognizes that each tradition has something valuable to offer. It is not afraid to see how others have suffered as a result of racial conflict or differences.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...is-form-racism

White folks will constantly claim that blacks have just as the same opportunities as everyone else. But do the math, what do blacks own and control in America that will change the lives of the youth compared to hispanics, indians, asians, and whites?
This post is completely false simply because you have no idea what the word "inherent" actually means.

An inherent trait is something a person is born with. Culture is not inherent. Anything that comes after birth that does not develop biologically is NOT inherent.

The problem with blacks in America is culture more than anything else. Their culture is their biggest road block to success. Until they change their culture, their situation will stay the same. Simple as that.
 
Old 05-10-2016, 08:57 AM
 
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Ugh..this thread should probably just be shut down. What good can possible come of this?

Maybe metro has a diversity/race issue, it wouldn't suprise me if it did. It is human nature to like people similar to yourself and to think in sterotypes. Some of us our better at checking these natural impulses and some of us openly embrace them. I'm sure there are SOME AAs at Metro who see their position as an opportunity to help other AAs in the name of racial justice. I'm also sure there are SOME AAs at Metro who dislike whites and harbor negative sterotypes about Whites (entitled, have everything handed to them)/Hispanics-Asians (foreign, not as deserving as Blacks). Then of of course, there are probably the majority of AA metro employees who may harbor some biases, but are basically "color blind" in practice. Now of course, these biases can aggregate up and cause issues for non-blacks.

But,there are also lots of non-discriminatory reasons for why metro's workforce is overwhelmingly African-American. How many working class whites/asians are in the DC area to being with? Most working class whites in the MSA have long sense left for cheaper locations in the South and further out Virginia. On paper, Latinos should represent a sizable share of metro's workforce. But, the Latino population growth has been relatively recent. Metro jobs turn over at a slow rate. You can't fire long serving Metro employees just to make the work force numbers match the changing demgraphics of the region. There will naturally be a lag time on hiring. Additionally, many Latinos in DC are non-citizen immigrants. Most public sector jobs require citizenship as pre-requisite. Now, this has a disperate impact on Latinos, but it is not inherantly racist. I would want to look at the hiring data vs. the prospective citizen workforce. In theory, we should see the share of Hispanics rising across time as jobs turnover.

So while, metro might have a "race problem." ( It certainly wouldn't be the first organization in the US that did.) Does that really impact the quality of the workforce managment or is it responsible for the decline of the system? Probably not. At the end of the day, Metro's problems are deep and complex. Underfunding, lack of maintance, a complex multi-jursdication governance structure, general "job for life" workforce incentive structures, and a fundemental contradictions between being an urban subway and a reginal commuter rail system, probably matter a lot more than any "workforce diversity issues." The system has always had "diversity issues" and used to be considered the finest subway in the country.

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