Does Eastern and Western Washington need to split into two states (Everett: unemployed, school)

[ShastatoBaker]

The larger issue here -- which looms like a cloud over this whole hypothetical -- is that red and blue are no longer work together on most issues.

There is a split vision of America, and the gap is only widening by the day. And I am no exception to the rule. I don't willingly associate with liberals, don't have any desire to speak with them; work alongside them. We are so diametrically opposed, and the middle ground between us has shrunk to such sad and negligible proportions, that I no longer see the point. In my experiences, I'm more likely to be called a bigot, a hate monger, or close-minded by the other side than a fellow American. When I field arguments, I am called stupid, racist, homophobic, backwards, or any number of a hundred other labels, all in a sad effort to 'slam the door' on me as fast and dramatically as possible, lest my opinions be heard. Both sides hate each other. You might not personally hate the other side, but, by in large, the bulk of your allies do.

So when it comes down to state splitting, while I innevitably write it off as 'never going to happen,' I think it is symptomatic of a greater governmental dysfunction. When neither side wants to share; wants to reach across the aisle; wants to compromise on anything, what is the point in staying in the same state? Or the same country, for that matter? I mean, good Christ, just look at California. Pointless water restrictions instituted by L.A., San Francisco and Sacramento are crippling that state's agribusiness. And for what? To protect this useless thing Moderator cut: delta smelt ? Thousands are losing their generations-old livelihoods to save a useless fish? C'MON!

We are paddling into dark and stormy waters as a nation. 49 percent -- on either side of the divide -- can only stand utterly unrepresented; can only tolerate hopeless gridlock for so long. If we cannot work together, then let us part was either amicably or in violence. But the status quo is untenable.

[Fat Freddy]

Originally Posted by ShastatoBaker

...I don't willingly associate with liberals, don't have any desire to speak with them; work alongside them...I'm more likely to be called a bigot, a hate monger, or close-minded by the other side than a fellow American. When I field arguments, I am called stupid, racist, homophobic, backwards, or any number of a hundred other labels..the status quo is untenable

You're correct.

The status quo is untenable.

How soon it can change depends on how fast your ilk can change from being bigoted, hate mongers, closed minded, stupid, racist, homophobic, and backward and become Americans who can actually associate, speak with, and work along side other Fellow Americans.

[ShastatoBaker]

Originally Posted by Fat Freddy

You're correct.

The status quo is untenable.

How soon it can change depends on how fast your ilk can change from being bigoted, hate mongers, closed minded, stupid, racist, homophobic, and backward and become Americans who can actually associate, speak with, and work along side other Fellow Americans.

I think we're past that. The way we're going to 'resolve' this is ultimately the same as the last time go 'round. Name call all you like, but 'your side' is more likely to kill itself when handling a firearm than someone on the opposing force. A modern 'civil war' would be over in hours. You sling insults because it's all you've got. When the innevitable social break comes, the majority of 'your side' will be running into Canada rather than face us. I'd sooner die than accept your nancified vision of America.

[Fat Freddy]

Originally Posted by ShastatoBaker

....the majority of 'your side' will be running into Canada rather than face us.

Who is this "us" you speak of?

Widespread insurrection will never happen again in this nation.

Unless you plan to revolt from within the walls of those FEMA re-education camps "your side" will be going to.

[seattlerain]

Originally Posted by ShastatoBaker

I think we're past that. The way we're going to 'resolve' this is ultimately the same as the last time go 'round. Name call all you like, but 'your side' is more likely to kill itself when handling a firearm than someone on the opposing force. A modern 'civil war' would be over in hours. You sling insults because it's all you've got. When the innevitable social break comes, the majority of 'your side' will be running into Canada rather than face us. I'd sooner die than accept your nancified vision of America.

What is "nancified" ?

I can guess that "nancified" refers to those of us who support things like gay marriage, reasonable restrictions on firearms, equal rights for all citizens...white, black, Hispanic, Asian...Native American...citizens of all colors, gay, transgendered, bisexual, heterosexual, etc.

Am I correct?

[Transmition]

Originally Posted by ShastatoBaker

I'd sooner die than accept your nancified vision of America.

This aspect of human nature is why Al Qaeda has such a supply of idiots for the suicide missions. I seriously expect a Christian terrorism group to appear some time soon, based on these silly notions and driven by the frenzy generated by conservative media.

[ShastatoBaker]

Originally Posted by Transmition

This aspect of human nature is why Al Qaeda has such a supply of idiots for the suicide missions. I seriously expect a Christian terrorism group to appear some time soon, based on these silly notions and driven by the frenzy generated by conservative media.

That's okay. I expect a full-fledged effort to deify or permanently elect Obama to develop about 2 years from now. Will he have accomplished anything? Nope. Will the economy be in the midst of a double dip recession? Yessir. Will he still be waving around that Nobel Peace Prize like he actually deserved it? Oh, absolutely. But, rest assured, liberals will still be kowtowing at the feat of their Kenyan ur-god.

[seattlerain]

Originally Posted by ShastatoBaker

That's okay. I expect a full-fledged effort to deify or permanently elect Obama to develop about 2 years from now. Will he have accomplished anything? Nope. Will the economy be in the midst of a double dip recession? Yessir. Will he still be waving around that Nobel Peace Prize like he actually deserved it? Oh, absolutely. But, rest assured, liberals will still be kowtowing at the feat of their Kenyan ur-god.

Are you sure...? You can't be serious...

[Seacove]

Originally Posted by seattlerain

Are you sure...? You can't be serious...

He can't be helped. But he almost makes me think he's a previous poster with a new name.

[Transmition]

Originally Posted by ShastatoBaker

That's okay. I expect a full-fledged effort to deify or permanently elect Obama to develop about 2 years from now.

That's one step further into absurdity that I wasn't expecting! I get the feeling that you are actually hoping for such a thing to happen so that you feel justified in shooting at people you disagree with, but it will never happen and I hope you learn to accept things won't get as bad as you have been led to believe. Even with a Republican controlled congress, senate and presidency, I'm sure you'll still be yelling about liberals ruining the country anyway.