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Everett, WA, has had this paper mill smell for decades and no longer has the problem, as the paper/pulp mill has shut down. Not a good thing for a long time, though - and in the olden days the air in Everett was literally toxic from the mills. Everett has long cashed in on it's waterfront to be a money-maker and now it's harbor boat parking area is the 2nd largest on the West Coast behind only San Diego. But they dealt with that smell for years.
Whoa...don't you think the Boeing plant may have had something to do with Everett's economy?
You don't even need to ask, they tell you. And as I said, look at the protesters. They've broadly made their feeling known. I just guessing that ultimately Medicare benefits may be scaled back or voucherized so there's pain on that side as well before something is made available to all. I have parents (although they are very much for health care for all), I care very much. But there is a generational divide when it comes to what's happening with health coverage and for an area like Sequim and the OP, they will need to decide who they hope to appeal to as a town and how to do it.
Well, you and I are exposed to very disparate groups of seniors! According to discussions on C-D, people in WA have been described as very much live and let live. If the old folks you run into are spouting their opinions without being asked then that seems sorta the opposite. Maybe you are hanging with all the imports?
One cannot look at protestors...a tiny percentage of a sub-population...and assume they represent the feelings of an entire age group. You're gonna get a really skewed view of the world doing that.
OK, Seacove, but I still don't see (trying to inch this back in the direction of the actual topic) why a population that skews toward the middle-aged and later doesn't deserve a good hospital. So what if Medicare doesn't reimburse enough? People still need health care. And why should the non-elderly get shafted, just because there aren't enough of them as a percentage of the population? IDK, maybe the retired doc who gave Medicare as a reason was wrong. Maybe it's just that the population base around that corner of the peninsula is too small, still.
Well, you and I are exposed to very disparate groups of seniors! According to discussions on C-D, people in WA have been described as very much live and let live. If the old folks you run into are spouting their opinions without being asked then that seems sorta the opposite. Maybe you are hanging with all the imports?
One cannot look at protestors...a tiny percentage of a sub-population...and assume they represent the feelings of an entire age group. You're gonna get a really skewed view of the world doing that.
Arrgghh! Trying to stop now.
Hey Washington is my oasis and I think this state would do what was possible to provide broad health care coverage for our state. And if that was possible, I could see Sequim and Port Townsend being very appealing to some practitioners because if you're a physician and there are a lot of patients with coverage, where would you choose to practice? But we don't control the country and Medicare is federal. If there's a way to make that work for Washington alone, I'm all for it. Then we need to restrict the coverage to those who have been here for X number of years so people don't move for the coverage when they get sick.
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OK, Seacove, but I still don't see (trying to inch this back in the direction of the actual topic) why a population that skews toward the middle-aged and later doesn't deserve a good hospital. So what if Medicare doesn't reimburse enough? People still need health care. And why should the non-elderly get shafted, just because there aren't enough of them as a percentage of the population? IDK, maybe the retired doc who gave Medicare as a reason was wrong. Maybe it's just that the population base around that corner of the peninsula is too small, still.
I'm doing so. I never said a certain age group doesn't deserve a good hospital. I'm simply responding to what you said:
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Oh, great! (SARCASM!) So now that the largest age cohort in history has reached 50+ and will be in greater need of medical care, we're writing them off because they can't pay well enough to justify serving them?
The system has to do better than this. Besides, only the ones over 65 are on Medicare. The younger retirees (or non-retirees) have regular insurance. And there are move of them moving to town as we speak. Though it does explain why the bigger hospital is over on the east side of the Kitsap Peninsula.
This is bad, people. If what your friend says is true, it means that the medical system is writing off the elderly and not-quite-elderly, simply because they don't have "good" insurance. So, who cares if the die, or their stroke becomes permanently disabling, while being med-evac'ed to another hospital? They're "old" anyway, so who cares?
Only in America.
What the OP has is mostly retirees that don't need a job. They rely on Medicare and the post you were responding to said Medicare doesn't pay enough. I simply said to your post that if anything, I would expect Medicare to become less generous both because there is a party that truly wants that and those not receiving medical coverage see how skewed coverage is toward retirees with no consideration for those who pay for their own who also pay for the ever-growing cost of retirees. This truly does have an impact on places like the OP which those that live here must see and anticipate. I hope that makes sense. This is equally true in Ocean Shores. I think they had one doctor and perhaps not that one anymore.
...if anything, I would expect Medicare to become less generous both because there is a party that truly wants that and those not receiving medical coverage see how skewed coverage is toward retirees with no consideration for those who pay for their own who also pay for the ever-growing cost of retirees. This truly does have an impact on places like the OP which those that live here must see and anticipate. I hope that makes sense. This is equally true in Ocean Shores. I think they had one doctor and perhaps not that one anymore.
Of course Medicare is skewed towards retirees. Medicare was designed to be skewed towards retirees and older people...that is it's purpose. Medicare was created in 1965 when people over 65 found it virtually impossible to get private health insurance coverage. People were losing their homes and their entire life savings as they attempted to pay for their health care costs on their own.
Obamacare has the same operating premise. As do private health insurance companies. Those who don't use it (or use it sparingly) pay for those who do.
Health care is messed up, no doubt. But until someone discovers another way to pay for it there will always be some who benefit over some who don't.
If Obamacare worked there would be little need for Medicare. But some of the same problems plague Obamacare. Messed up.
Of course Medicare is skewed towards retirees. Medicare was designed to be skewed towards retirees and older people...that is it's purpose. Medicare was created in 1965 when people over 65 found it virtually impossible to get private health insurance coverage. People were losing their homes and their entire life savings as they attempted to pay for their health care costs on their own.
Obamacare has the same operating premise. As do private health insurance companies. Those who don't use it (or use it sparingly) pay for those who do.
Health care is messed up, no doubt. But until someone discovers another way to pay for it there will always be some who benefit over some who don't.
If Obamacare worked there would be little need for Medicare. But some of the same problems plague Obamacare. Messed up.
As I said previously, when Medicare started, people did not live as long, there were fewer and less expensive treatments. Now people are living much longer and they want all the treatments available. It's much more expensive than Medicare was designed to be. So Medicare recipients are receiving endless benefits when they have only contributed 13%-41% of the cost of the benefits they are receiving. Taxpayers are paying well over half the benefits Medicare recipients are receiving while also paying for their own coverage. Or not receiving health coverage at all while still paying for seniors. It seems it will only change when everyone is feeling the pain.
Of course Medicare is skewed towards retirees. Medicare was designed to be skewed towards retirees and older people...that is it's purpose. Medicare was created in 1965 when people over 65 found it virtually impossible to get private health insurance coverage. People were losing their homes and their entire life savings as they attempted to pay for their health care costs on their own.
Obamacare has the same operating premise. As do private health insurance companies. Those who don't use it (or use it sparingly) pay for those who do.
Health care is messed up, no doubt. But until someone discovers another way to pay for it there will always be some who benefit over some who don't.
If Obamacare worked there would be little need for Medicare. But some of the same problems plague Obamacare. Messed up.
Simple answer.. Democratic Socialism.. 30 miles away across the Straight. Works for the entire rest of modern nations just fine.. All have lower costs and longer lifespans than our corporate welfare for the rich Pharma pigs in The USA. By the way ....Paul Ryan and Scott Walker.. Swear words that should not be mentioned.. Destroying the wonderful progressive fame of Wisconsin.. . And made it the heck hole everyone is leaving. Good luck selling your place...!.. I came to Washington to get away from that crap..
So leave Wisconsin politics in Wisconsin please.
Me..
I am fine with any good West coast Libertarian normal conservative stuff..
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Yes,
Younger folks are being choked and squeezed to death by boomers hoarding all the cash..
Boomers should be ashamed of their hoarding, benefits, healthcare, not funding schools on and on and on...
It is a serious problem and it is coming to a head.. Boomers will not be in charge soon...
Concentration of wealth is a serious issue, holding back younger people.
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Not necessarily true...There is a lot of Bernie Sanders socialist/democrats supporters as apparent by the recent democratic caucus..but the republican primary is coming up.....
Jefferson and Island county is pretty darn democratic, the most in the nation. I do believe. I think I can count the Republicans on one hand.. Sure a whole lot of independent Libertarian types, but Cruz supporting Republican type? A novelty over my way..
I would say most consevitves are with Fat Smitty in Jefferson county. And that would be Trump. The primary will be interesting for sure!!
For the record, my favorite president was a Republican, and is the namesake of Sequims Elk..
Who's monopoly busting policies sounds a lot like one of the current canidates.
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Whoa...don't you think the Boeing plant may have had something to do with Everett's economy?
rantiquity - never said Boeing's Everett Division plant didn't have anything ta do with Everett's economy? It does and it did and yes, Boeing does pollute and puts forth efforts to catch nasty pollutant drainage and treat it effectively before disposing of it, etc. I'm trying ta figure out what your point is with your question.
The point I was making is that Everett used to have a huge paper/pulp mill that stunk up the air. It's now shut down. Before that mill, back in the olden days (including before 1900), Everett had lumber mills, and they would burn scrap and such mercilessly into Everett's air. If you didn't have lung problems Everett's air would be able ta create them for you. If you smoked cigarettes and cigars, which were so very popular back in that era, your problems were only multiplied. T'was a horribly polluted city for decades.
Simple answer.. Democratic Socialism.. 30 miles away across the Straight. Works for the entire rest of modern nations just fine.. All have lower costs and longer lifespans than our corporate welfare for the rich Pharma pigs in The USA. By the way ....Paul Ryan and Scott Walker.. Swear words that should not be mentioned.. Destroying the wonderful progressive fame of Wisconsin.. . And made it the heck hole everyone is leaving. Good luck selling your place...!.. I came to Washington to get away from that crap..
So leave Wisconsin politics in Wisconsin please.
Me..
I am fine with any good West coast Libertarian normal conservative stuff..
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Yes,
Younger folks are being choked and squeezed to death by boomers hoarding all the cash..
Boomers should be ashamed of their hoarding, benefits, healthcare, not funding schools on and on and on...
It is a serious problem and it is coming to a head.. Boomers will not be in charge soon...
Concentration of wealth is a serious issue, holding back younger people.
Hahaha, TT! I was merely riding Seacove's Paul Ryan coattails. Never would I dream of introducing Wisconsin politics on this forum. Although now that you mention it, many people (not all) leave WI because they can't afford the property taxes in retirement. And one cannot place all the blame for veering away from Wisconsin's historical progressive nature on Walker and Ryan...for some strange reason the people of WI elect those guys again and again and again.
Properties in our area are selling like hotcakes now. Too bad we're not quite ready to leave.
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I never said a certain age group doesn't deserve a good hospital. I'm simply responding to what you said:
