10-13-2015, 05:34 PM
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I love the area around the Sound... most of my time has been in and around Olympia.
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10-13-2015, 06:21 PM
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Cost of housing..marginal infrastructure such as roads and especially schools in the eastern suburbs.
10-13-2015, 07:07 PM
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I love the area around the Sound... most of my time has been in and around Olympia.
A run up and around Capitol Peak fixes many ailments.
10-13-2015, 10:12 PM
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Several of my Washington friends take a trip every January to someplace warm and sunny...
^^This is probably the best answer for SAD...just don't have the flexibility of schedule for that just yet.
Last winter I borrowed a "happy light" from an acquaintance. It just hurt my eyes & a neighbor asked me what that "weird light" was in my house.
I don't know if vitamin D supplements help...time will tell.
But do I regret moving here? Nope.
10-14-2015, 10:58 AM
Location: Pacific NW
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Why I left, the LONG version!
I CAME to Western WA over 20 years ago, from Lexington, KY, (after living many places on the east coast, raised mostly in SC, having lived in mostly rural areas with lakes and access to the salt water, though it often mean a few hours' drive). To me, Lexington was the nightmare... the Seattle freeze has nothing on them! Beautiful countryside, beautiful horses, but...
We came west for an exploratory extended vacation, the Southern girl with the wandering feet, and the guy raised in Philadephia/New York. We loved the green, the more relaxed atmosphere, and planned and moved within a year. Helps to be self employed. He loved it, and the weather never seemed to bother him much, but he died early, in Port Townsend; cancer gets you anywhere. I remarried, to another wanderer, this one's origins were Norwegian. Guess that explains why he loves the gray gloom. We did leave Western WA, went to the more southern part of Oregon, on the coast, because... the ocean, not the Sound. We are not together now.
Here is why "I" left, and my take on the SAD phenomena, and some other considerations for you, being that you are talking about being deep in the trees, water, and rural areas:
1. SAD is very real, and yes, weeks with no sun are hard. The lights do help, but what one of my doctors explained, the grey cloud cover is truly lower in elevation, so it psychologically feels as though it is pressing down on your head. The best lights are the stronger, visor type, about $200, to have efficacy, again, according to experts.
2. ALLERGIES to those beautiful big green trees, for those who didn't grow up with them. I had serious allergies to the ragweed and other pollens in the Ohio Valley in Lexington, but even though I had grown up in rural Southeastern Asheville, Greenville, Knoxville, etc... with lots of trees, and no allergy issues, I found I am allergic to a lot of the things here, including the mold and mildew that grows abundantly in the land of the damp.
3. I also dislike the heat, and believe me, 99 degrees at nearly that humidity in the South, is miserable, and I don't like a/c much! I do like the cooler weather, but cool weather with higher humidity, especially near the water, is a deal breaker for me. I have fibromyalgia, cool and damp means pain medication, because it feels sometimes like it gets into my bones. I know I am not alone!
4. You may not have considered this, taking it for granted where you are, but... swimming in Western WA or Western Oregon, is not done much, except in heated pools. Hypothermia rules the open water of the Pacific, the Sound, and most lakes I can think of. The surfers wear full wetsuits.
I don't know your ages, but please consider medical care when you start heading into the woods on the Olympic Peninsula. Kitsap isn't very rural, and if it's rural and deep woods is what you are after, you won't stay there long. As you age, though, for major medical services, you'll want access to the Puget Sound medical facilities.
YOU will find the tax situation "interesting" or maybe alarming, as the levy of taxes on your business can be brutal. Research not just the state, but also your prospective counties and cities, in the overall scheme.
Outdoor activities can be done nearly all year, but wool will be your friend to help keep you warm while you hike, cycle, etc. Raincoats and umbrellas will mark you as an outsider. Most choose windbreakers and waterproof "hoodies", warm socks on feet.
I am moving back to Washington, but I want east, not west. I never felt a lot of the social "freeze", but I am on the introverted side, and tend to mind my own beeswax. I'll be in Spokane at the end of the month. I've never lived there before, but I have hopes of being able to do more, and more comfortably, than the West Side. Including swimming, which I have truly missed. If I WERE ever to return to live west of the Cascades, I would choose very, very carefully. I am hopeful about Spokane, though I am prepared to make adjustments, and I am fairly flexible. I am trading some cultural diversity, and some other minor preferences, by moving to Spokane, but I have hopes that I will discover some bonuses I haven't even thought of yet!
And I can always drive west for a visit if I need one.
The answers to this thread have been really interesting. Thanks for starting it.
10-14-2015, 11:57 AM
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Loving hearing all these responses! Thank you!!!!
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Anyone from San Diego will recognize the terms "May Gray" and "June Gloom", because those two consecutive months always live up to that! Personally, I enjoy those months....because I know and dread what-is-to-come. HOT!!! I can't say as I get depressed during those months....I rather like it! Maybe it's been my training wheels for WA and I didn't even know it!
10-14-2015, 02:59 PM
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As global warming continues to increase and be as real a phenom as S.A.D., I suspect you're going to see more and more migration to the PNW, and those who are escaping the heat have had enough and it affects their day-to-life so much that the "sacrifice" of less sun really isn't so much a hardship at all....
Yeah, we definitely came here seeking gray gloom and more temperate weather. I despise days over 75 degrees. Rainy days are the best days. But if these multi-year droughts and heat waves are the new norm here due to global warming may have to try out Alaska...
10-14-2015, 03:47 PM
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Anyone from San Diego will recognize the terms "May Gray" and "June Gloom", because those two consecutive months always live up to that! Personally, I enjoy those months....because I know and dread what-is-to-come. HOT!!! I can't say as I get depressed during those months....I rather like it! Maybe it's been my training wheels for WA and I didn't even know it!
Believe me, SD's "June Gloom" is not the same as PNW's winter cloud cover. Totally different. Also you should be aware that the drought is up here, too. You probably will not notice it right away, coming from dry & brown SoCal, but it's been getting warmer & drier here...the Olympic Mountains had no snow pack this past season, not a good thing. And check the Portland & Seattle forums...they had a scorching summer. Also, there were huge, damaging fires this summer in Washington that burned many homes & sent smoke clear into other states.
Just so you know...
10-15-2015, 11:54 AM
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Yes.....we've been following the climate changes and fire issues. (San Diego knows all about the horrors fire issues! We were also in Lake Tahoe when
that huge fire started.)
I may be wrong, and we plan to go up to get a taste of it ourselves (re: the PNW cloud cover), but personally, (and I know not everyone can relate to this in the same way), but we feel truly ready to deal with *it* over So. CA heat, etc. I guess it's just a decision you reach over time cuz you're finally at the end of your rope, or are fully willing to gamble....it's a collection of motivators. We didn't arrive at this decision overnight or without a LOT of forethought.
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People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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Why I left, the LONG version!
And I can always drive west for a visit if I need one.
