05-21-2016, 08:19 PM
Location: Washington state
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Hello. I've lived in Bellingham for almost a year, and before that was in northern Seattle for three years. Up to this point, various circumstances have necessitated staying in these two cities. However, my situation has recently become that I can more or less move wherever I choose, housing availability being the limiting factor.
I really enjoyed living in Seattle and would go back in a second if the housing situation weren't what it is. I actually could afford to *live* in Seattle, but would basically be breaking even. As a 30 year old I would like to start saving for retirement now, even if it's 35+ years away.
As for Bellingham, I love its bay, weather, and temperate rainforests (as I did Seattle's). It seems like a great place to go to school or raise a family. But as I am neither a parent or WWU student, I do feel out of place a lot of times. As I'm now thinking more about where I'd like to settle for a while, I question if Bellingham would feel too lonely long-term. I also am not one who desires to regularly go up to Vancouver, BC, so while I can appreciate the appeal of the location for somebody who does enjoy that, it's not a compelling reason for me to stay. Bellingham is beautiful and I love the mist and drizzle and overcast. But it feels isolated to me. It may just be the fact that's it's in the very corner of the country.
So I've been thinking about three possible places if I'm to stay long-term in western WA. I'd appreciate to hear from people who have either lived these locations, or are intimately familiar with them. I've visited all of them but I know living and visiting is night and day. The areas I'm considering are Olympia, Seattle metro area (places on the south closer than Tacoma, places on the north closer than Everett), and Vancouver, WA.
I will list the factors I am considering and my thoughts so far as to how they relate the places I'm considering. I realize since a place may not exist which has everything I want. Therefore, my factors are just my ideals. I understand some compromise will be necessary.
Community outside of being a college student or parent of a K-12 kid
I'm 30 and single and considering moving to a place where I know nobody. I get that no matter where I go, it's going to feel lonely at first. Seattle Metro and Vancouver, WA both seemed appealing for being close (at least in miles if not time due to traffic) to major cities. I think this would help a lot for finding people in my new community. I could see Olympia as having a similar vibe to Bellingham where it does have a strong community...but that community is the niches of the local U and the public school district. Or maybe I'm wrong. I'd appreciate hearing an Olympian's perpective. As for residents of the other two, do the Seattle metro area and Vancouver, WA feel at least affiliated with their respective major cities if not a part of them? Or would living in say Edmunds, or Kent, for example, just be paying higher rents to be near Seattle but realistically not actually feeling part of Seattle? Is this the way Vancouver feels with regard to Portland? I know Shoreline feels plenty "Seattle" for me, to give a frame of reference.
Feeling of isolation
This one would probably most apply to Olympia (I say as a hypothesis and understand it is not founded on actually experience there, hence asking you all who know it). Still, Olympia seems it would feel relatively less isolated than Bellingham just for not being in the corner of the country. Does it actually feel a little bigger with Lacey and Tumwater? Also, there is a certain degree of isolation any suburb will have from its city. I understand that. But the isolation I'm speaking of is a different type. Though Kenmore, for example, definitely feels like a suburb through and through, it does not feel isolated, whereas Bellingham does.
Biome
This is kind of a silly one because they're all great for people like me who love mist, overcast, and evergreens. I do think the Puget is the best biome in the country, but would feel awfully silly to complain about Vancouver's biome which, even if not "the best," is still great. I'm not really one to drive out to the mountains but I love having cool nature stuff within the city - Larabee in Bellingham, St. Edwards Park in Kenmore or Discovery Park in Seattle, for example. How are the local parks in Olympia and Vancouver, WA?
Work
Obviously job availability in any area depends on if you have the work skills desired by companies in that area, and if they have openings for people with those skills. I self-employed. I can make enough to live, though as stated earlier am concerned about saving for the future if I lived in Seattle or Portland proper. Since it's a specific situation, my point is not to ask the generic question, "What's the job-outlook like in X?" but more just to mention that I am aware this is a factor to consider. I would like to one day transition to only being part-time self-employed as, while paying fine, it is very lonely (never leave the house), but for now I am unlikely to get a job that will pay enough for my living expenses as does my self-employment. Just to assure you I'm not doing something crazy like moving to any of these places with no job in place.
So those are my thoughts so far. I'd love to hear thoughts from people who have lived in these area. I'd appreciate any other ideas you may have too that are confined to the specific factors I listed. I just wrote specifics because what defines a place being a good place to live is so different for every person's situation. There are a lot of posts on this forums asking what is X like? What is X like compared to X? Etc. I've read as many as I could find and now am starting a new thread with my specific questions pertaining to a single 30 year old who want to settle in the western half the the PNW, is self-employed from home, wants to be near larger area, and wants a community that is not too niche.
Thank you very much for reading my long post. Much appreciated.
05-21-2016, 11:03 PM
Location: Independent Republic of Ballard
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Olympia is really Bellingham all over - students and parents, more than singles. Vancouver is a bedroom community for Portland - not really a singles town.
If you like north Seattle, but for the rents, why not look at Tacoma's Northend (Downtown, Theater District, Proctor, Stadium, Old Town, Ruston, even some areas of Hilltop) - lot's of singles are moving there. Rents are a third to a half what they are in Seattle. Point Defiance Park/Zoo is great. You're 45 minutes from Seattle via express bus or an hour on Sounder.
05-23-2016, 07:50 PM
Location: Washington state
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my friends who live in Vancouver describe it as a suburb of Portland. I like Portland so to me it's not a negative description.
If there are areas you really like in/near Seattle maybe look a little closer? the rents/cost of living is not cheap but on CD can often be exaggerated IMHO. Not every house costs $1 mil. Kenmore at least is commutable to Seattle and Bellevue. Don't write off large areas just yet. Would Olympia and Vancouver be your top choices?
05-23-2016, 10:57 PM
Location: Independent Republic of Ballard
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Meant to write here:
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CrazyDonkey
If you like north Seattle, but for the rents, why not look at Tacoma's Northend (Downtown, Theater District, Proctor, Stadium, Old Town, Ruston, even some areas of Hilltop) - lot's of singles are moving there. Rents are a third to a half less than what they are in Seattle. Point Defiance Park/Zoo is great. You're 45 minutes from Seattle via express bus or an hour on Sounder.
05-24-2016, 09:05 PM
Location: Washington state
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CrazyDonkey, like many people who first experienced Washington through Seattle, I am guilty of being aware of Tacoma only in the most generic sense in that it exists. This is not an accurate view of a city that I am sure has a lot to offer on its own merit. So thank you for reminding me of my oversight. I have never been to Tacoma outside of passing through it on 5 and I will definitely head down soon for a day trip to give it a fair consideration. Thank you.
Misscross. I do like the areas north of Seattle: Kenmore, Edmonds, Shoreline, Bothell....and I agree with you that it would be fine to live there and commute. My impression was that they are also quite expensive at this time. I do continue to check though, because I that would be a fine area to settle as well. As for the southern areas Burien, Renton, Federal Way...like Tacoma I am unfamiliar and should work some of these into the Tacoma trip I am going to take upon CrazyDonkey's suggestion. I do entirely agree with you about expanding my view of "Seattle" to include these places.
05-28-2016, 09:01 AM
Location: Everett, WA
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It would seem the letter neighborhoods of Seattle would fit well depending on rental budget. Kirkland has always had a singles nightlife but spendy. Then there are all the neighborhoods and cities near Seattle. Lake City was a sketchy place but its getting better, I've have friends that love it. Really anything between Seattle downtown and Shoreline would be a good fit. To narrow it down I'd look at the rent. Each neighborhood has a different vibe. What do you prefer to have around? Most places have a bit of music shopping and food. But some are more local small funky shops and some are urban outfitters. Also how walkable does the area need to be?
05-29-2016, 07:15 PM
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What about renting an apodment or microhousing in downtown Seattle? Obviously many of the complexes are filled with single professionals.
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05-31-2016, 04:50 PM
Location: Washington state
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Thanks for the idea lauraf, I am familiar with Lake City Way. I still think that's a little high for me if I want to also be factoring in savings. I'd like to stay under 1200. I'm now looking a little further out (Everett, Monroe) but even those are often higher. Shoreline can be 1800.
West Seattle gal, I'd rather sacrifice some distance than space, when we're talking about apodments. I don't need to live right in the city, I just want to be close to a major population. A tiny normal sized place would be fine...apodments too small for me. But thank you anyway.
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People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)