Who Subsidizes Who? Western or Eastern? (income tax, agriculture, ticket)

[509]

Originally Posted by Botev1912

Washington doesn't have state income taxes. And yes you have to buy lottery tickets.

Oh, does that mean I can refuse to pay my portion of the state property tax?? How about refusing to pay sales taxes?? As a business can I refuse to pay my B&O tax?? Oh, wait... I collect sales taxes for the state of Washington...can I keep those???

All state's have taxes. AND as a political science professor said..." they collect them at the point of a gun".

That is YOU do not have the option NOT to pay your taxes.

Just because Washington state does not have a income tax, does not mean that you don't pay taxes!!!

[CrazyDonkey]

King County ($ in millions):

Expenditures: M1: $4,674.2 (27.04%), M2: $3,218.5 (18.62%), M3: 3,946.3 (22.8%)
Revenues: $7,341.2 (42.48%)
Exp/Rev Ratio: M1: 0.64, M2: 0.44, M3: 0.54

Spokane County:

Expenditures: M1: $1,301.3 (7.53%), M2: 1,241.0 (7.18%), M3: 1,271.1 (7.35%)
Revenues: $1,018.3 (5.89%)
Exp/Rev Ratio: M1: 1.28, M2: 1.22, M3: 1.25

M1 = Expenditures Allocated by Benefits Received
M2 = Expenditures Allocated by Location Expenditure Occurred
M2 = Averages of Methods 1 & 2

[PamelaIamela]

Why is this important?
I am more concerned when I subsidize other people!

And nobody's 'seceding' from anyplace in the U.S. to reform multiple 'new' states.
No other state would tolerate it.

[CrazyDonkey]

Originally Posted by PamelaIamela

Why is this important?
I am more concerned when I subsidize other people!

And nobody's 'seceding' from anyplace in the U.S. to reform multiple 'new' states.
No other state would tolerate it.

From a purely economic perspective, Seattle and King County residents should want to secede and form their own state, since they provide 42% of the state's tax revenues, but get only 23-27% of the state's expenditures back. The rest of the state would, of course, never let that happen, simply because they know a gravy train when they see it.

[PS90]

Originally Posted by CrazyDonkey

From a purely economic perspective, Seattle and King County residents should want to secede and form their own state, since they provide 42% of the state's tax revenues, but get only 23-27% of the state's expenditures back. The rest of the state would, of course, never let that happen, simply because they know a gravy train when they see it.

LOL! I figured from the beginning that the only reason for this super informative and helpful poll () was so you could take jabs at Eastern Washington. Looks like I was right...

[509]

Originally Posted by CrazyDonkey

From a purely economic perspective, Seattle and King County residents should want to secede and form their own state, since they provide 42% of the state's tax revenues, but get only 23-27% of the state's expenditures back. The rest of the state would, of course, never let that happen, simply because they know a gravy train when they see it.

It is pretty amazing how much tax revenue King County generates, even with all the corporate tax breaks given to them by the Democrats.

Yep, we would let King County go....if they took the rest of western Washington with them!!

There is more to life than money.

[CrazyDonkey]

Originally Posted by PS90

LOL! I figured from the beginning that the only reason for this super informative and helpful poll () was so you could take jabs at Eastern Washington. Looks like I was right...

Are you saying King County isn't a "gravy train"? And not just for eastern Washington...

To be informed, peruse the data I linked to. I said that King County residents should be in favor of becoming their own state, based on economic self-interest alone, but not that they would be. In this case, politics trumps economics. You're not going to get two more "red" senators. Join Idaho, on the other hand? Have at it.

[509]

Originally Posted by CrazyDonkey

Are you saying King County isn't a "gravy train"? And not just for eastern Washington...

To be informed, peruse the data I linked to. I said that King County residents should be in favor of becoming their own state, based on economic self-interest alone, but not that they would be. In this case, politics trumps economics. You're not going to get two more "red" senators. Join Idaho, on the other hand? Have at it.

The serious discussion is a new state in eastern Washington in exchange for Puerto Rico becoming a state. So it all might depend on the future status of Puerto Rico.

[PS90]

Originally Posted by CrazyDonkey

Are you saying King County isn't a "gravy train"? And not just for eastern Washington...

To be informed, peruse the data I linked to. I said that King County residents should be in favor of becoming their own state, based on economic self-interest alone, but not that they would be. In this case, politics trumps economics. You're not going to get two more "red" senators. Join Idaho, on the other hand? Have at it.

I'm saying that a your whole thread is totally flawed and pointless, for all these reasons:

1) As already stated, you are asking for an opinion poll to obtain something that is a fact.

2) A pollster should be at least outwardly unbiased. Which you're not.

3) All of this has been re-hashed many times. Your citation was regurgitated from another thread. And in fact, I'm fairly sure that you and 509 have had the exact same argument in multiple other threads.

I asked in the second post of this thread what the point of this thread/poll was, and I was hoping it was to create discussion, rather than just be a chance for you to get back on your soap box. But, no...

[CrazyDonkey]

Originally Posted by PS90

I'm saying that a your whole thread is totally flawed and pointless, for all these reasons:

1) As already stated, you are asking for an opinion poll to obtain something that is a fact.

2) A pollster should be at least outwardly unbiased. Which you're not.

3) All of this has been re-hashed many times. Your citation was regurgitated from another thread. And in fact, I'm fairly sure that you and 509 have had the exact same argument in multiple other threads.

I asked in the second post of this thread what the point of this thread/poll was, and I was hoping it was to create discussion, rather than just be a chance for you to get back on your soap box. But, no...

All I've done is state the obvious: King County makes an outsized contribution in revenues, while getting much, much less back in expenditures, no matter how the "data" is sliced. That King County, along with a small handful of other "donor" counties (one in eastern Washingon), pretty clearly subsidizes the rest of the state, however, isn't the same thing as saying that western Washington is necessarily subsidizing eastern Washington.

Why are you trying to squelch discussion? Why not just honestly defend the proposition you make here (perhaps you can swing some votes your way):

One of the great lies the last thirty in Washington state has been that western Washington taxes are sent east of the Cascades. IF you repeat a lie often enough people start believe its true.

For 2012 eastern Washington provided subsidies of 19.37 million dollars to western Washington. It looks like from the data that this sum will only continue to grow in the future.

This does NOT include eastern Washington county subsidies to western Washington residents like medical care, law enforcement, search and rescue, etc.

//www.city-data.com/forum/washi...estern-wa.html