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Old 04-24-2020, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, WA
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As I've watched the virus spread throughout the nation, I've noticed that OR has remained significantly less impacted than WA. This is much greater than mere differences in overall populations. There seems to be other factors involved. Does anyone have an ideas why?

Washington (7.6 million)
Cases: 12,753
Deaths: 711

Oregon (4.2 million)
Cases: 2,127
Deaths: 83

https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-...423/index.html

https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/index.html

Derek
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Old 04-24-2020, 11:37 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Because Seattle is a MUCH BIGGER seaport and airport than Portland. Just more international travelers.
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Old 04-25-2020, 12:07 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, WA
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Because Seattle is a MUCH BIGGER seaport and airport than Portland. Just more international travelers.
I think you're probably right. Before all the lockdowns were in place and very little testing was being done, folks were flooding into Seattle from all over.

Still, I flew out of PDX twice earlier in the year and the airport was packed. But I agree, its a smaller airport Sea-Tac.

Derek
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Old 04-25-2020, 01:10 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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WA = More:
Commerce
Density of urban area (Seattle is~2x Portland in population density / Sq Mi)
International population / Visitors (families coming or going for Chinese New Year)

Covid-19 seems to be very problematic in certain 'clusters', ... avoid propagating spread in those vulnerable clusters, and you can go a long way to protecting each other. I bet those studying bio-warfare, are learning a lot everyday from this!

We could learn from Taiwan, who interestingly has very low testing numbers, but very early containment of spread.
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Old 04-25-2020, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, WA
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Density of urban area (Seattle is~2x Portland in population density / Sq Mi)
International population / Visitors (families coming or going for Chinese New Year)

Covid-19 seems to be very problematic in certain 'clusters', ... avoid propagating spread in those vulnerable clusters, and you can go a long way to protecting each other. I bet those studying bio-warfare, are learning a lot everyday from this!

We could learn from Taiwan, who interestingly has very low testing numbers, but very early containment of spread.
Yes, they took a totally different approach with early, decisive, proactive prevention and never had to shut businesses! Instead, we're simply reacting after playing politics in denial. Unfortunately, our politicians are too arrogant to learn from other countries which they've shown time and time again especially when it comes to healthcare. Taiwan handled this so much better. See below.

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Meanwhile here in Taiwan, the 17th most densely populated country on earth, schools are open, restaurants are open, businesses are open and functioning normally. It’s been that way since the beginning when, for a brief moment, Taiwan had the highest number of coronavirus cases outside China due to the influx of tens of thousands of Taiwanese citizens fleeing the pandemic in China.

There hasn’t been a death from coronavirus here in over a month now. It’s been weeks since a single case of community transmission in a country of 24 million. Most days now it’s zero or one new case and it’s some returning citizen who was infected elsewhere.

It’s not due to testing because Taiwan tests a fraction of the number the U.S. is testing now. If you ask anyone here it’s because the Taiwan government instituted a crash national program to supply every citizen and, in particular, every health care worker with ample supplies of surgical and N95 masks and 95% of the people wear them voluntarily. This Great Wall of face masks is bolstered by a second line of defense in the form of hand sanitizers everywhere in public so you don’t have to wait until you get home to disinfect your hands.

So far this Great Wall has defeated everything the coronavirus has thrown at it, allowing daily life to function almost normally.
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Old 04-25-2020, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Bend OR
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Part of the difference could very likely be that Oregon is doing very little testing to know what their actual numbers are. Oregon is one of the lowest testing states.

And contrary to the Conspiracy Theories, Covid-19 deaths are only counted if the deceased is tested for the virus, but testing only happens if it might make a difference in their therapy, which is won't if they are dead.

A ridiculously low number of tests are available to doctors, so they have to dole them out only under very special circumstances. Otherwise, even if you have all the symptoms, you will normally be told to weather it home until you need emergency hospital services.

Washington has been better at testing, so the numbers are higher.
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Old 04-25-2020, 08:36 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Direct flights from Wuhan to Seattle, and more direct flights from China in general, for one thing.


I still don't understand why there's such a shortage of test kits at this stage.
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Old 04-26-2020, 08:14 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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I still don't understand why there's such a shortage of test kits at this stage.
USA pride. We can do it our way best...
(CDC saving face...)
& 'For Profit' Healthcare.

$3 tests in South Korea - txt result in 15 min (with 5 days of first case, same day as USA.

3 months later... Here in USA...
$100 from LabCorp - mail in. Results in 7-10 day

Dubai... 10 min blood test at airport boarding gate.


Yup... We can do it best.
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Old 04-26-2020, 04:14 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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SeaTac is the Asian hub and international gateway for Delta Airlines, and the Puget Sound region has gotten many more Asian immigrants than Oregon, working at places like Microsoft, Amazon, and others. Indian neighbors that we know have their parents fly in for several months, then they go back and the in-laws come. Here in Sammamish it’s now 37% Asian, and they all go back to visit family at least once a year. Seattle is 15% Asian, King County 19.2%. This is why Delta chose SeaTac as the hub.
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Old 04-26-2020, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, WA
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USA pride. We can do it our way best...
(CDC saving face...)
& 'For Profit' Healthcare.

$3 tests in South Korea - txt result in 15 min (with 5 days of first case, same day as USA.

3 months later... Here in USA...
$100 from LabCorp - mail in. Results in 7-10 day

Dubai... 10 min blood test at airport boarding gate.


Yup... We can do it best.
I couldn't agree with you more. Something about pride going before a fall. The truth is we're much too proud to learn from or admit smaller, more 'inferior' countries like Taiwan might be doing something better than us. So we stamp built in the USA on it and charge 10x the price while taking 10x as long to do the lab work!

I honestly don't know if we'll ever learn, even after Covid, with so much pig headed pride. It's more than embarrassing. It's actually costing us American lives.

Derek
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