Are health officals misleading the public? (Roy: kids, entertainment, offer)

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"Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine recipients had a mortality rate of 3.5 deaths after second dose.
The unvaccinated comparison group had a mortality rate of 11.1 deaths per 1,000 people per year."

Date on the booster 3rd injection is still coming with, with preliminary findings indicating the death rate for those boosted is 90% less than those who have had only two vaccine injections.

RESULTS
A total of 843,208 participants met the eligibility criteria, of whom 758,118 (90%) received the booster during the 54-day study period. Death due to Covid-19 occurred in 65 participants in the booster group (0.16 per 100,000 persons per day) and in 137 participants in the nonbooster group (2.98 per 100,000 persons per day). The adjusted hazard ratio for death due to Covid-19 in the booster group, as compared with the nonbooster group, was 0.10 (95% confidence interval, 0.07 to 0.14; P<0.001).

CONCLUSIONS
Participants who received a booster at least 5 months after a second dose of BNT162b2 had 90% lower mortality due to Covid-19 than participants who did not receive a booster."

Break this all down, and for every 100 patients who will die from Covid, 99 will have been unvaccinated, 1 will have, and likely suffered from unerlying conditions as did many of the unvaccinated.

When I was in the service, we all received a half dozen vaccines on our last week of boot camps, and not a single complaint was heard, because we were told 'these vaccines will protect you and your fellow soldiers."

And nothing has changed.

[MechAndy]

I think the vaccine was extremely helpful for adults when it first came out.
Not really much to dispute there.
I never thought it was the correct path for children though.

I think your logic is flawed though.
Just how old is that information?
Does it count all the omicron deaths ?
Are you really saying that the omicron sniffles are a death sentence?
It’s kinda early to know much but it seems safer than a couple months ago.
Safe enough where we aren’t counting 99 unvaccinated deaths out of 100 deaths.
Did you really just say that?

I was a soldier as well and lots of things have changed.

[Arcos]

Originally Posted by MechAndy

I think the vaccine was extremely helpful for adults when it first came out.
Not really much to dispute there.
I never thought it was the correct path for children though.

I think your logic is flawed though.
Just how old is that information?
Does it count all the omicron deaths ?
Are you really saying that the omicron sniffles are a death sentence?
It’s kinda early to know much but it seems safer than a couple months ago.
Safe enough where we aren’t counting 99 unvaccinated deaths out of 100 deaths.
Did you really just say that?

I was a soldier as well and lots of things have changed.

I think there is a tendency to just throw away results from studies and demand answers about things that are just now happening. And not do enough in the meanwhile. Rinse and repeat.

You will NEVER have a study that tells you what the effect of a vaccine is today… because you’d need to start and end the study on the same day. How about a change in attitude where you start planning for tomorrow?

Months ago, we were arguing about Delta… and people were refusing to take vaccines or boosters, citing the lack of current studies. Now that those studies are reported, people are arguing about omicron. And refusing to take vaccines or boosters, citing the lack of current studies.

What’s your plan for if another variant comes out that has Delta’s fatality rate and omicron’s transmission? What happened to being proactive? Every time a new variant shows up, people complain that the prior actions didn’t ‘work’. Some of those same people refused to follow those guidelines, or actively undermined them ‘where can I go to eat where we don’t have to show vaccination proof?’ and ‘where can I go where I don’t need to wear a mask indoors?’

But then you make it political. As if Biden or Inslee promised you some magic future and has now tricked you.

We’re in a bad situation. We get through it by doing what’s proven to help. Not by railing at the perceived wrongs of the world.

Vaccinate, mask, social distance, boost. All these things are proven to help.

I wonder if the naysayers on here have ever played a sport? ‘Coach, what’s the point of me running the ball… one of these next plays, the other side may have a successful play, and you promised I’d win!’

[MechAndy]

Sometimes the printed word doesn’t relay the intent properly.

I don’t believe we up to date on our info therefore most statistics are flawed for the current situation.
I was never mad or upset thinking that I was promised something because things do change and I get that.
Lots of people are frustrated by that but I’m not one of them.
I was and still am still frustrated by our policies though.
I will politely disagree with you on the booster shot for me anyways.
I did coach lacrosse for 7 years so I gotta be …..

I guess what I was trying to say is that things are changing, that we need to wait and maintain common sense rules that heavily include taking our physical health seriously.

At this point my plan is to,
Try to stay away from people.
Do my daily walk.
Try to eat properly.

That’s all I know that I can do.
Well maybe not get so wound up.

[Botev1912]

Originally Posted by MechAndy

I think the vaccine was extremely helpful for adults when it first came out.
Not really much to dispute there.
I never thought it was the correct path for children though.

I think your logic is flawed though.
Just how old is that information?
Does it count all the omicron deaths ?
Are you really saying that the omicron sniffles are a death sentence?
It’s kinda early to know much but it seems safer than a couple months ago.
Safe enough where we aren’t counting 99 unvaccinated deaths out of 100 deaths.
Did you really just say that?

I was a soldier as well and lots of things have changed.

The media really wants to keep the fear alive.

Covid: Deadly Omicron should not be called mild, warns WHO

[Botev1912]

Originally Posted by Arcos

What’s your plan for if another variant comes out that has Delta’s fatality rate and omicron’s transmission?

This video explains why this is almost impossible. Very lethal viruses have very low transmission. That's why viruses like MERS and SARS never spread and never became worldwide pandemics.

[Arcos]

I understand it’s almost impossible. But it’s not impossible. Delta is more transmissible than Covid and there’s no data that it’s less lethal. It could have been slightly more lethal, or significantly more lethal.

You had said, a bit ago, that you remember something saying it was less lethal. I’m happy to be corrected, if you’ve managed to find it.

Anyway, in my role as NPR shill, here’s another very informative article. Honest, forthright, detailed. No slagging on political grounds and worth the 5 minute read.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...micron-variant

[E Roy Slade]

ive heard all over internet that they get the shot but arent considered vaccinated until 14 days passed

anyone heard this?

evil times are here

[E Roy Slade]

Originally Posted by Arcos

I understand it’s almost impossible. But it’s not impossible. Delta is more transmissible than Covid and there’s no data that it’s less lethal. It could have been slightly more lethal, or significantly more lethal.

You had said, a bit ago, that you remember something saying it was less lethal. I’m happy to be corrected, if you’ve managed to find it.

Anyway, in my role as NPR shill, here’s another very informative article. Honest, forthright, detailed. No slagging on political grounds and worth the 5 minute read.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...micron-variant

NPR -National pharmacy radio

[E Roy Slade]

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