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Old 10-15-2020, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Leaving Tacoma, WA Soon!
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"Pierce County and the voters in my district voted overwhelmingly for I-976... my constituents don’t believe light rail will benefit them, just Seattle," said Republican State Sen. Steve O'Ban. "I am deeply disappointed that the court ignored taxpayers, rejected the holding of the lower court, and struck down the voter approved I-976."

The initiative, which voters approved in November, would have capped most taxes paid through annual vehicle registration at $30 and largely revoked state and local authority governments to add new taxes and fees.


https://komonews.com/news/local/eyma...-supreme-court

Looks like we will be funding Seattle and King Counties socialist crap for a while. Vote accordingly in a few weeks, this is solely on Inslee, King Co, and that deceitful AG who can't defend the people for fear of getting his socialist buddies riled up.
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Old 10-15-2020, 12:59 PM
 
Location: West Coast
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The state has shown it isn’t interested in what commoners think or vote for, it’s going to do what it wants to do
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Old 10-15-2020, 01:22 PM
 
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"Pierce County and the voters in my district voted overwhelmingly for I-976... my constituents don’t believe light rail will benefit them, just Seattle," said Republican State Sen. Steve O'Ban. "I am deeply disappointed that the court ignored taxpayers, rejected the holding of the lower court, and struck down the voter approved I-976."

The initiative, which voters approved in November, would have capped most taxes paid through annual vehicle registration at $30 and largely revoked state and local authority governments to add new taxes and fees.

https://komonews.com/news/local/eyma...-supreme-court

Looks like we will be funding Seattle and King Counties socialist crap for a while. Vote accordingly in a few weeks, this is solely on Inslee, King Co, and that deceitful AG who can't defend the people for fear of getting his socialist buddies riled up.
Such shameless hypocrisy. Seattle sends $3 BILLION DOLLARS to 33 other counties in the state and the number one recipient is Pierce County. They get over a half a billion dollars from King County every year so that we can fund their infrastructure because they can't pay for it themselves.

“Pay for your friggin projects yourself,” summed up another, from Pierce County.

Where did the money go? Ironically the ever-aggrieved Pierce County is the No. 1 recipient, getting $508 million more than it gave in state taxes. Second is Yakima County, with a net gain of $395 million, then Clark County at plus $375 million and Spokane County, which got $350 million more in resources than it gave."


‘Why are we exporting billions of dollars around the state?’ The coming showdown over Seattle’s money
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...eattles-money/

Then there's the benefit Pierce county gets from ST3 which they will only pay $5B into out of the $28B. I would be fine with cutting out Pierce County from the regional transit system. I only drive through Tacoma if I go south. But as usual, Pierce County wants to have its cake and eat it too. They want light rail, they want to live in a less expensive location, but they don't want to contribute anything. They just want to get a half a billion dollars in handouts from King County while also being connected to the regional transit system.

"More importantly, he said, Pierce County residents need new light rail and transit improvements just as badly as people in Snohomish and King counties do."

“I think the bigger question is: Would Pierce County residents really not want to be connected to the regional transit system?” he said.

“The reason these projects are proposed is because they are needed. And it is a very acute need.”


Wish Pierce County would ditch ST3 and Sound Transit for good? It's complicated.
https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/...157065579.html

Here is a map of ST3. http://soundtransit3.org/map#map
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Old 10-16-2020, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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Such shameless hypocrisy. Seattle sends $3 BILLION DOLLARS to 33 other counties in the state and the number one recipient is Pierce County. They get over a half a billion dollars from King County every year so that we can fund their infrastructure because they can't pay for it themselves.

“Pay for your friggin projects yourself,” summed up another, from Pierce County.

Where did the money go? Ironically the ever-aggrieved Pierce County is the No. 1 recipient, getting $508 million more than it gave in state taxes. Second is Yakima County, with a net gain of $395 million, then Clark County at plus $375 million and Spokane County, which got $350 million more in resources than it gave."


‘Why are we exporting billions of dollars around the state?’ The coming showdown over Seattle’s money
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...eattles-money/

Then there's the benefit Pierce county gets from ST3 which they will only pay $5B into out of the $28B. I would be fine with cutting out Pierce County from the regional transit system. I only drive through Tacoma if I go south. But as usual, Pierce County wants to have its cake and eat it too. They want light rail, they want to live in a less expensive location, but they don't want to contribute anything. They just want to get a half a billion dollars in handouts from King County while also being connected to the regional transit system.

"More importantly, he said, Pierce County residents need new light rail and transit improvements just as badly as people in Snohomish and King counties do."

“I think the bigger question is: Would Pierce County residents really not want to be connected to the regional transit system?” he said.

“The reason these projects are proposed is because they are needed. And it is a very acute need.”


Wish Pierce County would ditch ST3 and Sound Transit for good? It's complicated.
https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/...157065579.html

Here is a map of ST3. Sound Transit 3
So in your opinion voters don't care about where their tax money goes as much as you or your cut and paste post do.
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Old 10-16-2020, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Independent Republic of Ballard
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King County subsidizes the rest of the state, but the rest of the state wants to dictate to King County what it can and cannot do. How very democratic! Not.

As it is, the decision didn't even get to the question, since Eyman's initiative is rotten through and through - per all his initiatives, which are designed solely to fleece donors and fill his pockets.
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Old 10-16-2020, 12:45 PM
 
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So in your opinion voters don't care about where their tax money goes as much as you or your cut and paste post do.
Not sure what you're saying there but I would fully support a vote where each county decided not to take Seattle's money. For example, Pierce County could say we won't pay our $5B share of ST3. We remove their attachment to the regional transit system, no connection whatsoever and we stop giving them a half a billion dollars every year. Logically, Seattle is actually paying Pierce county's costs over ten years and the payoff for Pierce County would be for generations, but who cares? Let Pierce County disconnect entirely. No costs, no money from King County, they are on their own.

We can say every county needs to be self-supporting too. If they can't pay for their own infrastructure, that's their problem. If they can't pay for their roads, they can put tolls on them so it costs them $5. every time they go to the grocery store. There are ways to do it where Pierce County gives nothing and gets nothing. Duplicate it around the state. Spokane could join Idaho too and start paying Idaho's income tax.
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Old 10-17-2020, 11:33 AM
 
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I just renewed my car tabs, $108.00, about nine bucks a month, and no, I'm not in tears over the cost. Why oh why are affluent American's so against taxes? My guess is that taxes are a great issue for politicians, and wannabe pols, to exploit the public's selfishness. A Seattle Times article this AM by Danny Westneat goes a long way toward viewing this issue from a less politicized perspective, but taxes, in general, are now looked upon as a terrible thing by those steeped in GOP anti tax sentiment.

Capable thinkers know the rising cost of everything drives tax rates up as well. Yeah, I'd love to have cheap gas, cheap food, cheap entertainment--but that ain't gonna happen- and only an optimistic fool would expect it. We've got people who think nothing of blowing a hundred bucks or more when eating at a good restaurant, or at a major league ball game, so nine bucks a month...How can that be considered excessive? The truth of all the tax consternation lies in the fact of a nation divided by contentious politics, where even two bucks would cause some to explode with phony indignity.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...n-30-car-tabs/
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Old 10-17-2020, 11:42 AM
 
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What kind of car are you driving to only pay 108.00 dollars for the tabs.

I have a 2015 Honda Forza Scooter which costs about 175.00 for the tabs. Its only worth $2700 to $ 2900 real market value.

Are you driving a car only worth 1k to 1500 dollars out there??? Thats would make it a real apples to apples comparison.
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Old 10-17-2020, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Seattle area
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What kind of car are you driving to only pay 108.00 dollars for the tabs.

I have a 2015 Honda Forza Scooter which costs about 175.00 for the tabs. Its only worth $2700 to $ 2900 real market value.

Are you driving a car only worth 1k to 1500 dollars out there??? Thats would make it a real apples to apples comparison.
If you are outside of the RTA zone car tabs are pretty cheap.

http://rtamaps2.soundtransit.org/st_...neaddress.html
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Old 10-18-2020, 04:18 AM
 
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If you are outside of the RTA zone car tabs are pretty cheap.

Sound Transit Address Determinations

Sounds right than, no wonder that poster did not respond after seeing I pay more for a 279cc scooter than his or her car in tab fees.
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