Vaccine Mandates - your opinion (pay, venue, driving)

[Arcos]

Originally Posted by MechAndy

To keep on topic of “vaccine mandates your opinion?”.

What is America’s opinion as a whole?
Where do we really stand on this?
Depending on where you get your information you will get quite different views and answers to this.

Are the anti mandate crowd the minority or the majority when it comes to ending these restrictions?

Same question for the other side.
Are the pro mandate crowd the minority or the majority when it comes to keeping these restrictions?

My money is on most of us are done with the mandates and restrictions by a large margin regardless of political associations.

So are we really pro mandates and restrictions as a majority?

I am in favor of adaptive management. Reduce restrictions as the lethality and severity of the disease recedes. Increase the most effective restrictions if the lethality and severity increase. Don’t let the disease get the jump on you.

Keep using the soft power of the state to encourage vaccination through mandates where constitutional BUT include natural immunity. If we are going to count the weak JJ shot as fully vaccinated, when in general natural immunity is better, we should also count natural immunity.

A successful end goal for me would be to have enough vaccination and natural immunity to finally get to that elusive endemic stage where we can drop all restrictions and offer an optional annual vaccine, but not to presume we are there without the evidence to back up that decision. I think we are close but haven’t seen conclusive data.

[fassopony]

Originally Posted by MechAndy

At this point the vast majority of us have either been infected or vaccinated.
The reasons we continue to have restrictions are purely political.

Exactly. And anyone who says otherwise worships at the Shrine of Inslee/Political Propaganda Church.

This is, after all, their religion.

[MechAndy]

I am kinda aware how you feel Arcos but that’s not my question .
I want to know the real numbers of where we as a country stand on this.

Today I heard it was 70% to get rid of all restrictions and mandates.
It’s the first so so legitimate broadcasted number I’ve heard so I am curious.

[Arcos]

Originally Posted by fassopony

Exactly. And anyone who says otherwise worships at the Shrine of Inslee/Political Propaganda Church.

This is, after all, their religion.

Straw man argument. Inslee continues to do a good job.

https://komonews.com/news/local/insl...dvises-caution

Governor Inslee: “ Look we are looking forward to the days when this becomes an ‘end-demic’ situation rather than a pandemic situation," Inslee said. "A day when we can return to a much more normal status. And yes, we’re happy that our restaurants are open. We are extremely happy that our schools are open. We’re happy about our economic growth. But we’re really looking forward to the days when we can remove some of our requirements.”

What a monster, right? I mean, this guy sounds like… a rational human being?

[Botev1912]

Originally Posted by Arcos

Straw man argument. Inslee continues to do a good job.

https://komonews.com/news/local/insl...dvises-caution

Governor Inslee: “ Look we are looking forward to the days when this becomes an ‘end-demic’ situation rather than a pandemic situation," Inslee said. "A day when we can return to a much more normal status. And yes, we’re happy that our restaurants are open. We are extremely happy that our schools are open. We’re happy about our economic growth. But we’re really looking forward to the days when we can remove some of our requirements.”

What a monster, right? I mean, this guy sounds like… a rational human being?

Few places will be looking at case numbers when it becomes endemic. Actually, mass testing won't even be available. Hospitalizations are the key and WA hospitals are far from overwhelmed.

[Arcos]

Originally Posted by Botev1912

Few places will be looking at case numbers when it becomes endemic. Actually, mass testing won't even be available. Hospitalizations are the key and WA hospitals are far from overwhelmed.

Again, NPR has the actual figures for people who want the full truth:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...-full-is-yours

For King County, the overall numbers for beds used and Covid beds used are: 85% and 19% beds being used. That’s high.
For the ICUs alone, it’s 75% occupied and 31% with Covid.

“ That ratio is concerning when it rises above 10%, hospital capacity experts told NPR. Anything above 20% represents "extreme stress" for the hospital, according to a framework developed by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington.

ICU capacity is another important indicator of hospital strain. Those thresholds are higher: When 30% or more of ICU beds are filled by COVID-19 patients, it suggests a hospital is operating under "high stress." When 60% or more are full, it's considered at "extreme stress," according to IHME.”

[Botev1912]

Originally Posted by Arcos

Again, NPR has the actual figures for people who want the full truth:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...-full-is-yours

For King County, the overall numbers for beds used and Covid beds used are: 85% and 19% beds being used. That’s high.
For the ICUs alone, it’s 75% occupied and 31% with Covid.

“ That ratio is concerning when it rises above 10%, hospital capacity experts told NPR. Anything above 20% represents "extreme stress" for the hospital, according to a framework developed by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington.

ICU capacity is another important indicator of hospital strain. Those thresholds are higher: When 30% or more of ICU beds are filled by COVID-19 patients, it suggests a hospital is operating under "high stress." When 60% or more are full, it's considered at "extreme stress," according to IHME.”

and yet they fire people and do not do anything to increase capacity because it's not profitable.

[Arcos]

Originally Posted by Botev1912

and yet they fire people and do not do anything to increase capacity because it's not profitable.

Thank you for saying ‘and yet’

By that I take it you acknowledge that your statement that WA hospitals are far from overwhelmed isn’t true and that we are still in need of Covid countermeasures until the omicron surge subsides.

The rest of your comment? Yes, it’s a difficult decision to mandate the vaccine, but necessary. Medical staff have an obligation to reduce the odds of sickening their patients through Covid transmission. But natural immunity should have been added to the mix.

[SusVelo]

Originally Posted by Botev1912

and yet they fire people and do not do anything to increase capacity because it's not profitable.

Hospitals still operate in a capitalistic system, what is the comment about profits supposed to mean? Are you for government takeover of hospitals, etc?

[Botev1912]

Originally Posted by SusVelo

Hospitals still operate in a capitalistic system, what is the comment about profits supposed to mean? Are you for government takeover of hospitals, etc?

No, but universal healthcare would be nice. The US is doing worse also because of the health care system compared to other countries.