10-28-2021, 05:45 PM
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The climate here with winter rains makes things mossy and moldy and things like decks and houses need to be pressure washed to not look grungy, and not everyone does that. Extra items (lawn umbrellas, kids' toys) in the yard have to be put under cover to not get gross with algae and mold. Plus, there's a long growing season for weeds.
Yes, that's so true. We learned that real quick when we went slip-sliding on the deck. The concept of washing my house was so strange. Now I have 3 pressure washers.
10-28-2021, 07:41 PM
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The climate here with winter rains makes things mossy and moldy and things like decks and houses need to be pressure washed to not look grungy, and not everyone does that. Extra items (lawn umbrellas, kids' toys) in the yard have to be put under cover to not get gross with algae and mold. Plus, there's a long growing season for weeds.
That is a good point!!
11-05-2021, 05:30 PM
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Hello all,
My husband and I are strongly considering a move to Washington from California. Before you start hating on us, let me explain. We have legitimate reasons to move there. My mother in law lives in Bellingham, and she is ill. We'd like our kids to get to know her better while she's still around. Also, my husband works in tech and many of his colleagues/mentors live in that area now. Our other option is the NE coast, which we are considering as well, but my husband has a very minimal professional network there.
I hate California weather for the most part. It's far too hot and sunny, and I would love to live somewhere cooler. However, I'm concerned about the 8-9 months of "gloom" I keep reading about. I do love a crisp sunny day, when we get them. Are those few and far between in western Washington? Is it as grey and gloomy as everything I've read? I am prone to depression and already take antidepressants; would I be doomed in WA? We visited the Seattle area in the summer and it was lovely, but from what I've read, that's basically the only time of year the sun is out.
Also, we have two VERY active young boys. How do families deal with kids playing outside if it rains so much?
Any information would be greatly appreciated!
winter it rains almost with at the least showers daily and windy often frequent power loss moss is everywhere you wont see dry dirt till spring sometime i can be very gloomy n dark
11-16-2021, 02:06 PM
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I've lived in western WA since '86, and I would agree that it's often gloomy during the winter. However, as many others have mentioned, it's somewhat (emphasis on somewhat) relative based on where you live as well as what month of the winter you're experiencing.
The gloom tends to have different "weight" to it, heavier in some areas and at different times than other areas. Some areas within the western cascade foothills and the olympics have heavy gloom, with thick, dark low lying clouds that may or may not be dropping rain. This is what gets to most people. Short winter days, with heavy cloud cover really only gives you only about 5 hours of daylight, and even then it's more like twilight where even your vehicle lights stay on. Weeks of this drag people down.
However, there are other areas, such as in the rain shadow or the central puget sound where the cloud cover is much thinner and higher. Even with total cloud cover, the days are much brighter and sunrise and sunset are more clearly defined. Sunbreaks are often possible, and rain much less likely. Most people wouldn't call that a gloomy day. As with all of it, the weather is not really stagnant in the PNW, and nearly 100% of the time you can look up and see the clouds moving at a fairly quick rate as one system moves through and gives way to another.
Additionally, you're not locked into experiencing the gloom all winter long once you come here. Even during the snowiest times of the year, Eastern WA is just a 2 hour drive away, where in the summer you have a very SoCal feel... hot and dry. In the winter, you'll have snow, but a much more sunshine and less humidity that Eastern WA. Most Eastern WA residents that I know make routine day trips to the eastern side, and many have 2nd homes or cabins over there too.
The gloom does exist, but it's not an all pervasive drive you to insanity type of thing. Nearly everyone gets used to it and develops comfortable coping habits. Even today, during one of the wettest and darkest months on record, we had some sunbreaks.
11-16-2021, 04:03 PM
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The gloom does exist, but it's not an all pervasive drive you to insanity type of thing. Nearly everyone gets used to it and develops comfortable coping habits. Even today, during one of the wettest and darkest months on record, we had some sunbreaks.
Had to repost this pic to agree with this: Learn to enjoy the sunbreaks!
11-16-2021, 05:12 PM
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The gloom tends to have different "weight" to it, heavier in some areas and at different times than other areas. Some areas within the western cascade foothills and the olympics have heavy gloom, with thick, dark low lying clouds that may or may not be dropping rain. This is what gets to most people. Short winter days, with heavy cloud cover really only gives you only about 5 hours of daylight, and even then it's more like twilight where even your vehicle lights stay on. Weeks of this drag people down.
So true. If you're in one of the heavy cloud areas, you'll get fewer sunbreaks and need some coping mechanisms. The key is to realize you're moving to a place where the word "coping mechanism" is going to going be part of the experience in winter.
Work schedules also play a part. If you go to work in the dark, go home in the dark and spend the day in the office so you can't take advantage of a sunbreak, it can get to be more a of a drag than if you have a flexible schedule and can get outside during a sunbreak.
11-16-2021, 07:56 PM
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..........................................Addition ally, you're not locked into experiencing the gloom all winter long once you come here. Even during the snowiest times of the year, Eastern WA is just a 2 hour drive away, where in the summer you have a very SoCal feel... hot and dry. In the winter, you'll have snow, but a much more sunshine and less humidity that Eastern WA. Most Eastern WA residents that I know make routine day trips to the eastern side, and many have 2nd homes or cabins over there too.........................................
Yep, eastern Washington is totally full up with western Washington folks, both part-time and transplants. It is hard to find a local native anymore.
People sit in traffic jams coming and going from western Washington for hours on the mountain passes.
Last....the weather in eastern Washington is JUST AS BAD as western Washington from Thanksgiving until early March.
I go to Arizona for the winter.....
11-17-2021, 10:33 AM
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[quote=509;62330596]Yep, eastern Washington is totally full up with western Washington folks, both part-time and transplants. It is hard to find a local native anymore.
People sit in traffic jams coming and going from western Washington for hours on the mountain passes.
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Last....the weather in eastern Washington is JUST AS BAD as western Washington from Thanksgiving until early March.
I go to Arizona for the winter.....
And the traffic in Arizona is backed up with people from Washington snow birding.
11-17-2021, 03:54 PM
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I've lived in western WA since '86, and I would agree that it's often gloomy during the winter. However, as many others have mentioned, it's somewhat (emphasis on somewhat) relative based on where you live as well as what month of the winter you're experiencing.
The gloom tends to have different "weight" to it, heavier in some areas and at different times than other areas. Some areas within the western cascade foothills and the olympics have heavy gloom, with thick, dark low lying clouds that may or may not be dropping rain. This is what gets to most people. Short winter days, with heavy cloud cover really only gives you only about 5 hours of daylight, and even then it's more like twilight where even your vehicle lights stay on. Weeks of this drag people down.
However, there are other areas, such as in the rain shadow or the central puget sound where the cloud cover is much thinner and higher. Even with total cloud cover, the days are much brighter and sunrise and sunset are more clearly defined. Sunbreaks are often possible, and rain much less likely. Most people wouldn't call that a gloomy day. As with all of it, the weather is not really stagnant in the PNW, and nearly 100% of the time you can look up and see the clouds moving at a fairly quick rate as one system moves through and gives way to another.
Additionally, you're not locked into experiencing the gloom all winter long once you come here. Even during the snowiest times of the year, Eastern WA is just a 2 hour drive away, where in the summer you have a very SoCal feel... hot and dry. In the winter, you'll have snow, but a much more sunshine and less humidity that Eastern WA. Most Eastern WA residents that I know make routine day trips to the eastern side, and many have 2nd homes or cabins over there too.
The gloom does exist, but it's not an all pervasive drive you to insanity type of thing. Nearly everyone gets used to it and develops comfortable coping habits. Even today, during one of the wettest and darkest months on record, we had some sunbreaks.
This is all really encouraging, thank you! I appreciate you taking the time to explain the different types of "gloom" in WA, lol. I actually think low level clouds are quite lovely, much better than a pale grey that almost looks like smog. I think if most the gloom is concentrated in the winter, then that could be ok. Currently in CA, the summer is the most depressing season for me. I say season, but it's more like 1/2 the year of 80+ temps. I much prefer a cooler climate, but also love a crisp cool day with blue skies (we use to see days like that in the fall in CA, but not so much anymore). I think I could be okay with occasional sunbreaks. I don't plan to have an in-office job again now that remoting is so popular, so I think even the short winter days could be managed as long as there is some sun on occasion.
11-17-2021, 03:55 PM
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Had to repost this pic to agree with this: Learn to enjoy the sunbreaks!
Ha! Great photo! Happy dog!
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Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)