Law says all new cars must be electric by 2030 (Oroville: buying, price)

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Originally Posted by pnwguy2

I think this 2030 deadline is unrealistic. This seems to be political positioning, in an effort to show concern for our environmental governor. He knows the system. And can continue to for the rest of his life. I fully expect Inslee will continue to run again for POTUS, but may still the odd man out.

A 2030 deadline seems like a political stunt to me. Where he can weirdly say during a primary, "oh I'm more environmentally friendly and green by setting a quicker EV date than other politicians!"

Honestly, why does a deadline need to be set like this? Sure perhaps EV vehicles will probably outsell ICE/gas cars over time, but let customers decide whether they prefer that, not the government.

[rantiquity]

Originally Posted by Transmition

A lot of people make a big deal over how we don't have the infrastructure for electric charging, but they never specify how far off we are. I don't think they actually know what capacity we have and what we need of what type.

One of the great things about electric chargers is that you can turn pretty much any parking space into a charging space, you don't need huge tanks of volatile liquids than need to be refilled regularly. So if you don't have a charger at/by your home and you only need to recharge once per week then you can do it while getting groceries at the supermarket or shopping at the mall.

In my town (Sequim) we now have two parking lots that have multiple plug in stations, one in the old PUD parking lot on West Washington and the other behind Holiday Inn on the far West end of Sequim. Not sure if there are others. If anyone knows of other plug in stations would be helpful.

[Hemlock140]

Originally Posted by pnwguy2

I think this 2030 deadline is unrealistic. This seems to be political positioning, in an effort to show concern for our environmental governor. He knows the system. And can continue to for the rest of his life. I fully expect Inslee will continue to run again for POTUS, but may still the odd man out.

Like Trump changed the amount of café standards for MPG and Biden changed them back, this could be changed. A lot could happen with the governor and state leadership before 2030. I am hearing of more and more people becoming dissatisfied with the current state administration, despite voting for them.

[grega94]

I do think that some form of EV will be the future (hydrogen fuel cells still might end up taking over lithium/chemical batteries for example), they are superior in every way (except energy storage which will eventually get solved) but as others pointed out 2030 isn’t a realistic goal. I think it would be more realistic to switch over to hybrids, or push for higher MPG standards, as well as getting people to walk/bike/ ride public transit more.

[Arcos]

I would have set a goal for plug in hybrids, personally. And I would have backed that up with a comprehensive study and a comprehensive plan.

[Arcos]

Originally Posted by oregonwoodsmoke

Unless you have a lot of year round pasture, how you going to feed the mule when the farmers can't get their hay to market or their grain to market?


Is there going to be grain? Will the farmer be able to get the diesel fuel to run the combine?

Daily walks on road verges should do it , plus that’s less weed management for the DOT, which will lose out on the gas tax revenue.

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[StealthRabbit]

Originally Posted by grega94

I do think that some form of EV will be the future.... push for higher MPG standards, as well as getting people to walk/bike/ ride public transit more.

yes, conservation / reduction in energy use is critical to success. (Each user and household should be required to reduce 10% / yr and be incentized for greater reductions and contributions to technologies / applications that are energy neutral or benefit.

+ Higher mileage stds, like the 50 mpg we were able to achieve over 40 yrs ago. (1974 oil embargo)

We could have nipped this very easily 40 yrs ago.

A comprehensive USA energy policy would be a big plus.

[happygrrrl]

Originally Posted by rantiquity

You have mule?

Yes, IMO, much calmer than a horse, although I do like horses.

How do you think I get to town???? (jk)

[happygrrrl]

Originally Posted by oregonwoodsmoke

Unless you have a lot of year round pasture, how you going to feed the mule when the farmers can't get their hay to market or their grain to market?


Is there going to be grain? Will the farmer be able to get the diesel fuel to run the combine?

Everyone around me has livestock, so I guess we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

[Arcos]

Originally Posted by oregonwoodsmoke

Unless you have a lot of year round pasture, how you going to feed the mule when the farmers can't get their hay to market or their grain to market?


Is there going to be grain? Will the farmer be able to get the diesel fuel to run the combine?

I know this isn’t a real serious discussion, but electrification of personal vehicles, in theory, would reduce diesel costs for farmers. This law isn’t about electrifying farm equipment. And serious commercial farmers don’t take their grain and hay to ‘market’ in the backs of personal vehicles… this isn’t 1880.