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Old 01-10-2023, 01:38 PM
 
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I looked through those websites. They are not designed for the average person to be able to navigate clearly by any means. Any assistance via attorney etc. will not be compensated through the program. Good chance the fees to hire the right help for assistance would just be more $ out of pocket.

The comment regarding agent orange is 100% correct. Many vets became homeless/died before any compensation came into law and it still is not easy for vets to access.

Any covid related injury or even suspected adverse effect is supposed to be reported to the CDC (per their website). By either the person effected or their doctor. That again is a website that is way to difficult for an average person to navigate.
I asked my doctor to file the report to CDC but my doctor refused saying there is no way for her to know if my condition is caused by the vaccine/booster. All issues match CDC possible side effects. I now have a new doctor.

I don't know ? It blows
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Old 01-13-2023, 10:18 AM
 
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I looked through those websites. They are not designed for the average person to be able to navigate clearly by any means. Any assistance via attorney etc. will not be compensated through the program. Good chance the fees to hire the right help for assistance would just be more $ out of pocket.

The comment regarding agent orange is 100% correct. Many vets became homeless/died before any compensation came into law and it still is not easy for vets to access.

Any covid related injury or even suspected adverse effect is supposed to be reported to the CDC (per their website). By either the person effected or their doctor. That again is a website that is way to difficult for an average person to navigate.
I asked my doctor to file the report to CDC but my doctor refused saying there is no way for her to know if my condition is caused by the vaccine/booster. All issues match CDC possible side effects. I now have a new doctor.

I don't know ? It blows
Do you think Big Tech is controlling the narrative and only allowing government and the CDC version of what they want you to know and banning a different perspective to be seen or heard....I do.
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Old 01-13-2023, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Embarrassing, WA
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VAERS data was made public, but through a convoluted setup where you have to select a myriad of ways to sort it to export the report. Probably by design..... A summary of all adverse effects for all Covid-19 vaccines from arm pain and rashes at the injection site to death, amounts to 3.9 million cases as of December 2022. Thats of the 262 million people now with at least one vaccine dose taken. So its roughly 1.5% who had some adverse reaction and roughly 0.15% or less who had serious/fatal reactions.
One of the CVI/WA members reported that the HHS was threatening to pull her doctors medical license and she couldn't get him to issue her an exemption letter for the vaccine even though the first dose put her in the ER. Inslee's mandate was requiring her to have another shot and she couldn't so her employer had to fire her. Gov't wanted to step on our necks and force us all to take the vaccine, but has really stepped back with "we didn't do it" hands when someone has an adverse reaction as a result. Not acceptable.
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Old 01-13-2023, 07:41 PM
 
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I don't know if it's big tech or not, but do think doctors have been told not to discuss adverse effects as it may lead to negativity and less people getting vaccinated.

Remember most docs work in/with large groups thee days. Doctors want to keep their jobs in these groups, so they follow orders like any employee in any company that wants to keep their job. The days of individual doctors with a private practice and the idea to help their patients are long gone.

Insurance companies and of coarse big pharma got their fingers in the cookie jar too. It's less about medicine and more about playing along.

Don't believe for a moment the .15% and 1.5% numbers for adverse effects.
In our small group of friends, co-workers and acquaintances, 3 have heart related problems including myself.
3 others have more mild but still serious reactions with 1 of them having a sibling die. These are from the vaccine not Covid.

So if there is some fabricating of numbers going on it's the percentage of vaccine related injuries.

I recently read a report from the CDC stating 'most of the symptoms of long covid go away after about 1 year.'
Appears the dead stay dead though. And the lost wages and lost jobs lost homes medical care and broken families, well that's just the way life goes.

This needs to go beyond the state of Wash. and become national if not global as undoubtedly people around the world are suffering from the so called fix.
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Old 01-17-2023, 11:14 AM
 
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Around two hundred fifty thousand Americans die each year from some sort of medical malfeasance, and we've been going along at that rate for some time. That fact is hardly ever considered to be anything more than just another topic of public complaining about the much stressed US healthcare system. But COVID is in that special place wherein it is viewed as much more than the disease itself, it's become a political point of contention fraught with dark suspicions.

I've had every shot that was available for COVID and suffered no negative effects, I've been on many Asthma meds, and had very little problems, same for antibiotics, surgical procedures, physical therapy regimens etc. I'd have to say that the stats show a very low risk from mRNA vaccines and that drove my decision to get them and have some level of protection. Even though I have never been harmed by doctors or drugs, I've always been aware of the crap shoot aspect of most treatment with regard to the negative potentials surrounding their use.

Overall, the main drawback to any of our modern medical treatment has to do with the fact that most of big pharma has been overly concerned with profits rather than concern for the patient. But, as we say, "that's just bidness" Humira and other breakthrough treatments have some very dangerous side effects that trump anything in the COVID space, but we don't hear much about them for the fact that they were never politicized.

Had COVID remained as simply one more viral infectious disease we faced, we'd most likely never heard so much about it's treatment development, and, we'd most likely not have had such a huge resistance to it's widespread usage. mRNA technology is now expanding quickly into the field as an alternative to the past treatments that took much longer to develop and much longer to ensure their safety. Eleven months to develop two mRNA vaccines was truly a breakthrough, and in a global society that will only continue to encourage the possibility of pandemic disease, I guess we should celebrate the positive but still hold the pharmaceutical corporations feet to the fire.

As far as the government's role in addressing COVID, let's be honest and admit that the political climate in America is such that we cannot leave the huge concerns connected with such infectious ailments to people who see a lurking Devil in the actions of government, the medical community, Pharmaceutical developments. It's not a perfect medical/government system we have, but it's certainly not a huge conspiracy..
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Old 01-17-2023, 01:39 PM
 
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Around two hundred fifty thousand Americans die each year from some sort of medical malfeasance, and we've been going along at that rate for some time. That fact is hardly ever considered to be anything more than just another topic of public complaining about the much stressed US healthcare system. But COVID is in that special place wherein it is viewed as much more than the disease itself, it's become a political point of contention fraught with dark suspicions.

I've had every shot that was available for COVID and suffered no negative effects, I've been on many Asthma meds, and had very little problems, same for antibiotics, surgical procedures, physical therapy regimens etc. I'd have to say that the stats show a very low risk from mRNA vaccines and that drove my decision to get them and have some level of protection. Even though I have never been harmed by doctors or drugs, I've always been aware of the crap shoot aspect of most treatment with regard to the negative potentials surrounding their use.

Overall, the main drawback to any of our modern medical treatment has to do with the fact that most of big pharma has been overly concerned with profits rather than concern for the patient. But, as we say, "that's just bidness" Humira and other breakthrough treatments have some very dangerous side effects that trump anything in the COVID space, but we don't hear much about them for the fact that they were never politicized.

Had COVID remained as simply one more viral infectious disease we faced, we'd most likely never heard so much about it's treatment development, and, we'd most likely not have had such a huge resistance to it's widespread usage. mRNA technology is now expanding quickly into the field as an alternative to the past treatments that took much longer to develop and much longer to ensure their safety. Eleven months to develop two mRNA vaccines was truly a breakthrough, and in a global society that will only continue to encourage the possibility of pandemic disease, I guess we should celebrate the positive but still hold the pharmaceutical corporations feet to the fire.

As far as the government's role in addressing COVID, let's be honest and admit that the political climate in America is such that we cannot leave the huge concerns connected with such infectious ailments to people who see a lurking Devil in the actions of government, the medical community, Pharmaceutical developments. It's not a perfect medical/government system we have, but it's certainly not a huge conspiracy..
Then why did my report on VAERS get deleted?
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Old 01-17-2023, 04:35 PM
 
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Then why did my report on VAERS get deleted?

I've tried to address the politicization of COVID as it relates to the kneejerk responses we've all heard since this virus first appeared. In your case I took the liberty to read back through your past posting, no surprises that it includes a lot of political vitriol and that gets to my point about those who've made up their mind despite evidence to the contrary.

Most human events take place in a far less than perfect environment, the entirety of the VAERS construct is simply a "reporting collection point" and in no way can be construed as anything more, the reports are just that, someone saying something happened but no real evidence that a reaction was connected to the vaccine is required.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2P91JS

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/wh...rs-is-and-isntere without

Not trying to be argumentative but the facts are firmly supporting the notion that the COVID virus has been a full on divisive scourge on the American political front. And it appears that we'll never resolve those differences. In the meantime we can, at the least, post without attempting to persuade others to our views. It's never a good thing to have to suffer the mistakes of others, but to add insult to injury by assuming the mistake was somehow a purposeful action, or that the evidence of such mistakes is always buried in some conspiratorial assault on our freedom just reeks of the kind of misinformation that serves as little more than a furtherance of that national divide..
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Old 01-17-2023, 07:35 PM
 
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I've tried to address the politicization of COVID as it relates to the kneejerk responses we've all heard since this virus first appeared. In your case I took the liberty to read back through your past posting, no surprises that it includes a lot of political vitriol and that gets to my point about those who've made up their mind despite evidence to the contrary.

Most human events take place in a far less than perfect environment, the entirety of the VAERS construct is simply a "reporting collection point" and in no way can be construed as anything more, the reports are just that, someone saying something happened but no real evidence that a reaction was connected to the vaccine is required.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2P91JS

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/wh...rs-is-and-isntere without

Not trying to be argumentative but the facts are firmly supporting the notion that the COVID virus has been a full on divisive scourge on the American political front. And it appears that we'll never resolve those differences. In the meantime we can, at the least, post without attempting to persuade others to our views. It's never a good thing to have to suffer the mistakes of others, but to add insult to injury by assuming the mistake was somehow a purposeful action, or that the evidence of such mistakes is always buried in some conspiratorial assault on our freedom just reeks of the kind of misinformation that serves as little more than a furtherance of that national divide..
No less than three specialists and my PCP conclude that my blood problems were caused by the vaccine. So I don't care what you think that you know. And I did make an account and report my case on VAERS, and it later was gone. My PCP has since had several patients with the same side effect and even though there have been thousands of cases of this side effect reported, doctors are still not told it is a common side effect. So someone is covering up to save their a**. The vaccine makers were afraid that people would not get the shot if they knew how common bad side effects were. And they made billions.
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Old 01-18-2023, 10:22 AM
 
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No less than three specialists and my PCP conclude that my blood problems were caused by the vaccine. So I don't care what you think that you know. And I did make an account and report my case on VAERS, and it later was gone. My PCP has since had several patients with the same side effect and even though there have been thousands of cases of this side effect reported, doctors are still not told it is a common side effect. So someone is covering up to save their a**. The vaccine makers were afraid that people would not get the shot if they knew how common bad side effects were. And they made billions.
Your post only underscores the point I was making--That is, that people have their minds made up in spite of whatever evidence one could offer to the contrary, no reason, no explanation, and no facts will ever change your views, period. Is that a surprise? No, it isn't, given your general distrust of everything remotely connected to your political notions. Your assertions were debunked, your suspicions still remain.

No one is saying the vaccines didn't have their risk, did you bother to read the links I offered? All manner of people are badly damaged every year by either, drugs, surgeries, foods, machinery, etc. and the people responsible are all too often let off the hook for the reason that the damage done wasn't proven to be a "willful act." I don't expect agreement, but to come here and tell people that they made a huge mistake by getting a shot is disingenuous and assumes you know and understand the scope of these vaccines better than the professionals who can offer a professional medical opinion. I knew the risks, they were already being reported in the news, I still got the shot, so did millions of others and I still fly on aircraft, even though that can be very dangerous..

You had problems, others had problems, and still, millions of others died from COVID. Death seems to be a very real consequence of COVID, and even that fact gets bandied about in the conspiratorial clans as "fake news," so carry on with the idea that your government, the drug companies, research Doctors, scientists, and most certainly Biden, and any Democrats, are out to get you. It's terrible that you had the problems you had, and it's unfortunate that we don't live in a world wherein we can be fully assured of our well being on the highways, in our schools, at work, at home, or after getting a vaccination, but life is all about risk even when we're trying to save lives. I offered my opinion, I didn't want to debate this, and it's OK that we don't agree, it wasn't expected.
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Old 01-18-2023, 01:56 PM
 
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Your post only underscores the point I was making--That is, that people have their minds made up in spite of whatever evidence one could offer to the contrary, no reason, no explanation, and no facts will ever change your views, period. Is that a surprise? No, it isn't, given your general distrust of everything remotely connected to your political notions. Your assertions were debunked, your suspicions still remain.

No one is saying the vaccines didn't have their risk, did you bother to read the links I offered? All manner of people are badly damaged every year by either, drugs, surgeries, foods, machinery, etc. and the people responsible are all too often let off the hook for the reason that the damage done wasn't proven to be a "willful act." I don't expect agreement, but to come here and tell people that they made a huge mistake by getting a shot is disingenuous and assumes you know and understand the scope of these vaccines better than the professionals who can offer a professional medical opinion. I knew the risks, they were already being reported in the news, I still got the shot, so did millions of others and I still fly on aircraft, even though that can be very dangerous..

You had problems, others had problems, and still, millions of others died from COVID. Death seems to be a very real consequence of COVID, and even that fact gets bandied about in the conspiratorial clans as "fake news," so carry on with the idea that your government, the drug companies, research Doctors, scientists, and most certainly Biden, and any Democrats, are out to get you. It's terrible that you had the problems you had, and it's unfortunate that we don't live in a world wherein we can be fully assured of our well being on the highways, in our schools, at work, at home, or after getting a vaccination, but life is all about risk even when we're trying to save lives. I offered my opinion, I didn't want to debate this, and it's OK that we don't agree, it wasn't expected.

I actually feel sorry for you for believing all that stuff.
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