03-04-2007, 04:31 PM
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I have been researching Western Wa, especially waterfront communities, and have found a lot of discussion regarding "Leaking Septics Traced to Water Contamination"
Are homes with Septic Systems to be avoided? Can a Home Owner be forced to connect to Public Sewer if it becomes available and if so, at what cost.
I have been looking in the Hood Canal Area and around Olympia. The area is truly spectacular.
03-04-2007, 08:54 PM
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You'd want to find out how old the septic system is. I live on septic. Bought the house 9 years ago and it doesn't have problems. When you buy a house, it is required that the septic system be pumped. It's good to get an inspection. I like septic, you don't pay a sewer bill. Just have it pumped about every five years.
03-04-2007, 09:15 PM
Location: Sacramento, California
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Septic systems
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Ira500
You'd want to find out how old the septic system is. I live on septic. Bought the house 9 years ago and it doesn't have problems. When you buy a house, it is required that the septic system be pumped. It's good to get an inspection. I like septic, you don't pay a sewer bill. Just have it pumped about every five years.
I have also considered buying a homes on a septic system. I heard you could not have a garbage disposal with them. Do you know if this is a fact.
03-05-2007, 04:55 PM
Location: Shingle Springs, CA
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Septic Systems
I currently live on acreage with a septic system and well. I would check to see how old the septic system is and check with the company that serviced the system last, but there are not too many things that can go wrong with a maintained system.
I pump my system about every 10 years (they recommend every 5 years but I haven't had any problems nor have my neighbors who all pump every 10 years). The larger the tank, the less time between pumpings. In my area it costs about $500 to have the tank pumped. It's important to add bacteria (available at hardware stores and some super markets) every couple of months to make sure the solid waste is being broken down properly. It's also important to not use products such as bleach that can kill the bacteria. I was also advised not to use powdered detergents for laundry or dishwasher or bacon grease as these can come out of solution when it hits the cold pipe running to the tank and cause clogs that need to be physically removed.
I'm not sure what impact an area with wet soil can have on a system. In the foothills in NoCA where I live the soil is usually really dry. Here is a Web site for more info: http://www.metrokc.gov/health/wastewater/owners/works.htm (broken link)
03-05-2007, 07:36 PM
Location: Summerville, SC
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I too live on acreage with a septic tank. I heard you should pump it every 3 years. We have been in our home 6 years now and just pumped the tank last year. We were still good (there's just the two of us), but I will do it earlier next time to be safe.
Our home was built in 2001, and the previous poster is correct. You should NOT have a garbage disposal with a septic tank. It cost us less than $300 to have our tank pumped; only took a little while, and they did a very good job. They asked us to inspect it for quality when they were done, and they really did a superb job.
As the prior poster stated, we too add bacterial stuff to our drains (name escapes me just now) to keep things flowing nicely.
Hope this helps.
03-06-2007, 01:31 AM
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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I've had septic systems for over 30 yrs, and have installed several myself on my own residences. I have never had one of my own pumped, nor added 'bacteria' (not a great idea), but do have them pumped and inspected when I move into a used home. (Actually pumping is not great either, as a healthy septic gets balanced with microbes, and unnecessary pumping removes most of them) County requires us to inspect them every 4 years and have a licensed inspector verify the inspection every 8 years. I just checked my 12th yr cycle last summer, and had less than 8" of 'Solids' (can have 24" before you need pumped). We use our garbage disposal occassionally, but usually compost. You can keep a septic system very healthy without much trouble. Since I have to take a 'test' each time I install my own... I've learned quite a bit from the sanitation officials. (who stress NEVER add 'bacteria' to a healthy system)
Basically,
1) don't introduce non-organics. (nylon stockings are bad...as well as harsh cleaners)
2) always put in the biggests tank available (I use 1500 gal)
3) use a 'septic friendly' toilet paper (Albertsons used to be rated best for septic)
4) stagger wash days (don't run lots of water through the sytem on one particular day each week)(add a 'quarter' machine for the shower
_)
5) ALWAYS check your distribution box each time you inspect your tank to assure the lines are level (very ez to fix by making 'elliptical' metering caps by drilling 2" hole Off-center in a three inch cap, then you just twist to level all lines (usually 4)
add an 'Outlet' screen on your tank discharge to keep bad things from going to the drain field' (nylon stockings, they float...very bad on drain field (unless you have chambers
)
Systems are very ez to install if you use 'chambers' rather than gravel. Even the complicated ones can be done in a 3-day weekend (cheap time to rent backhoes). I never have spent more than $2000, and tank, risers, and D box is 1/2 of that.
but... as the poster mentioned 'proximity to waterway' requires diligence. (often high water tables + you don't want to be dumping 'nitrates' into public waterways) There is nothing 'magic' about the septic systems, and if installed and used correctly, they can last over 40 yrs, in fact I have a few in rentals that are still working fine, and are quite a lot older than that.
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03-06-2007, 01:43 AM
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What is your opinion about water softeners and septic systems? Does the salt used to flush them hurt the tank?
03-06-2007, 02:17 AM
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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What is your opinion about water softeners and septic systems? Does the salt used to flush them hurt the tank?
This depends on the use of the softener, I'm most familiar with using a softener as a treatment device (get rid of iron...) These use LOTS of water (and salt)
Your septic system is not likely designed to handle the extra flow (gal / day) required of a softener. I would guess the tank bacteria would not be too happy with the saline water. Most softener sales guys will not disclose this to you (at least mine wouldn't
). They tend to get the sale, and do a quick install (using most convienent drain...) and get on to the next 'quick sale'.
I run a seperate drain from the softener, and to a different drain field than septic. (required boring through the concrete wall on my last home). I have used the 'raingutter' drains on some of my new construction, BUT I use a septic style drainfield for softener applications. (3' wide chamber or drainrock trenches with maximum soil cover of 12"). Evaporation + perculation is necessary for the amount of water used in a softener. I would not subject a septic system to softener use. Your septic system design will have a stated Gal / 24hr day capacity, and the secret to healthy septic is 'residence time'. I.E. sewage has enough time to decompose in tank chambers BEFORE exiting as 'gray-water'.
Usually on raindrains, I just dig a deep dry well that will hold 10 yds of rock, and has an 'overflow' to a ditch. but... with our recent PNW 'landslides' from highly saturated soils, plus seeing my overflows running occasionally, I will now change to 'evaporation trenches' ~ 100' long. (similar to septic) I will calculate length and number based on soil conditions.
I might start experimenting with 'annualized' water recycling, as am currently investigating 'annuallized solar'. Unfortunatley I think WA and OR have very restrictive laws regarding water collection and reuse. I have friends on the east side who have been very successful with annualized solar. (heating soil under home to release heat during the winter. ~ 12" per month transfer rate, thus need to insulate 6' from source heat to floor contact area, or bury and insulate summer heat supply lines 6' below slab)
03-06-2007, 02:30 AM
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Thank you for your answer, I have found 1 softener that uses about 1/4 the salt and water. It is supposed to only regenerate as needed rather than flushing the whole thing over night. I now see that we should continue to do our homework before making this purchase.
03-06-2007, 03:26 PM
Location: Shingle Springs, CA
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Just when I thought the water was so soft in WA....
Where I live the water is about one step from being sand it's so hard (well water filtering through 500 feet of granite), so you have to use a softener. We use a Kinetico system that runs on potassium chloride (K-Life) instead of salt. This system drains the excess water onto our acreage and not into the septic system. I would agree that adding sodium to a septic tank would not be a good thing. The plants seem to like the potassium.
Our septic company recommended adding the bacteria every six months, so I guess it's a difference of opinion. WA must have better drainage though (hard to have worse than our almost solid red clay) because our neighbor didn't pump his tank for 13 years and the system backed up into his house--definitely not a good thing! We chose to go with the largest tank available and after 10 years we had 8 inches of solid. I guess that says something about our neighbor's life style, but....
I have a garbage disposal but don't use it often and it hasn't caused any problems with the septic. We are also careful to use products that are biodegradable and septic friendly and compost as much as possible.
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People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)