02-14-2009, 11:26 AM
Location: Southeast Alaska
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When the Swinhomish Tribe thought maybe they could squeeze the residents for a big least increase, when the lease had years remaining, they hired the right lawyers and they were paid with taxpayer funds via the BIA...how about that
Having a signing a lease at a particular rate on an
indian reservation is meaningless..
The results was the tribe got a judgement against the community residents for just over $7.3 million dollars, due immediately and
NEW lease fees were put in place......whattya gonna do, they got ya over a barrel..you either pay up or leave your home and a tribal member moves into it the next day and pays nothing
Its all
archived within our community website for your enjoyment....
Shelter Bay Home
Click on Current Newsletter and scan down to "Back rent payment made.." read that paragraph to start with
Scan 2008 Newsletters in the Newsletter page Links at top...for additional lease info
The entire Shelter Bay community has turned into a nightmare for most, many are stuck here...now top heavy with new management, regulations, and new fees...brought on by people moving here from places like California...we did just fine before they arrived with all their crappolla and better way to do things....BS
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02-16-2009, 07:32 PM
Location: Burlington Washington
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just an update: I put in a offer! The lease is suppose to be for 50yrs. Never had I ever thought I would buy a home on leased land. I will be paying 400.00 a yr and some of the others I found out pay up to 9,000.00 a yr for water front. That is overkill. Wish me good luck!! I heard the "back pay" in shelter was due to some contractor that messed up a bunch of lots. That is what we were told at least.
02-17-2009, 10:40 AM
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Was very interested in buying in Shelter Bay at one time until I found out that it was leased land and what the tribe was doing. Will never make that mistake again. No leased land - ever for me.
02-18-2009, 07:17 AM
Location: Flatlands of Indiana (Mishawaka)
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Quote:
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jenniferwa
just an update: I put in a offer! The lease is suppose to be for 50yrs. Never had I ever thought I would buy a home on leased land. I will be paying 400.00 a yr and some of the others I found out pay up to 9,000.00 a yr for water front. That is overkill. Wish me good luck!! I heard the "back pay" in shelter was due to some contractor that messed up a bunch of lots. That is what we were told at least.
Jennifer, just out of curiosity what made you decide to go ahead with the deal? I only ask because my inlaws have a house there and the possibility of acquiring their home still exists. My wife and I absolutely love the area, but like the other folks are saying, it has a tendency to bite the owners in the "end". I am hoping to hear something new. I sincerely hope the deal works for you.
wc@h
02-23-2009, 10:03 AM
Location: Southeast Alaska
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jenniferwa
I heard the "back pay" in shelter was due to some contractor that messed up a bunch of lots. That is what we were told at least.
And a realtor told you that and you believed it....totally not true
Enjoy your time on the reservation......a lease on a reservation is not worth the paper its written on
Its more like a bait & switch agreement.....
The length of lease in Shelter Bay was meaningless, it began August 16th 1968 and was to have been for 75 years, through 2044
The problems began in about 2004....Read this...
http://www.shelterbay.net/pdfs/Chron...of_Actions.pdf
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02-23-2009, 11:23 AM
Location: Southeast Alaska
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Shelter Bay Home Owners Agreement... remove any improvements upon the leased land within 60 days after the expiration of the lease . The decision to leave or remove improvements is to be made by the homeowner.
02-23-2009, 08:20 PM
Location: Burlington Washington
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Just curious Captain. Why don't you sell while you still have time?? I still go back and forth on the purchase. Contract not written in stone, yet. It is soooooooo upsetting, if we want near any water that we can afford, it is on the reservation.
02-23-2009, 09:33 PM
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Quote:
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jenniferwa
Has anyone had any bad situations with leased land? What are peoples thoughts about buying on leased land? I am looking into the Shelter Bay area (la conner) or Sandy Point (ferndale). Any thoughts??
I think you received some great advise on Shelter Bay. It was one of my top picks when we were researching areas to purchase a vacation home and I tried real hard to convince my husband because I love LaConner so much but once he found out about the land situation being leased, he said "NO WAY". I'm so glad I listened to him, especially after reading these replies on here. I know we would have made a big mistake. Don't get me wrong, it is beautiful and has so much to offer within the development, not to mention LaConner being just over the bridge. IMO, it's not worth the headache involved in purchasing a home on leased land just to be near the water but you will have to make your own opinion. You were smart to ask the question on here because the people on this forum are so knowledgeable.
02-25-2009, 03:36 PM
Location: Southeast Alaska
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Quote:
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jenniferwa
Just curious Captain. Why don't you sell while you still have time?? I still go back and forth on the purchase. Contract not written in stone, yet. It is soooooooo upsetting, if we want near any water that we can afford, it is on the reservation.
Simply come over and drive all around in Shelter Bay and look at all the
For Sale signs...
There are no buyers...due to this situation with what the tribe calls "back rents" and several other issues that came up during that 2-year process...like lease extensions
The court found in favor of the tribe so there is some $6 million plus 8% interest to be paid to the tribe, divided up among the residents....
When this all began and the magnitude of the problem was somewhat unclear...the realtors actually sold some houses and failed to disclose...which is illegal...that has come back to bite them big time
I suggest that if you proceed at all...you get an attorney that is very familiar with lease properties on tribal land to go over the contract with you very very carefully
02-28-2009, 08:24 PM
Location: Burlington Washington
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I know you all will think I am crazy BUT I did buy the house. I know Captain-it is a risk but one I am willing to take. There are some for sale signs but there are also people with million dollar homes and people that are building. Believe me---I have talked to ALOT of people, some that have been there 40 yrs and 20 yrs, and they are not concerned. The 6 million is stupid, I know that, and Shelter Bay has paid all but 1 million. It is soooooo peaceful in Shelter Bay and I am soooooooo excited about my boat being right down the road, so I can go jump in and head out to the San Juans or Anacortes or just down the channel to La Conner for dinner. I guess we just hope for the best. For anyone interested you can go to shelterbay.net for more info. Captain- Thank you for the help and maybe we will meet someday neighbor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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